[PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

[Herb Brannon]

I've checked several PRCo Route Listings and can find no Route-80. Where
did it run?
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:28 PM, John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>wrote:

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>  It may have been rush hour only because of route 80.  When did 80
> expire???  > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
> > From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> > Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:09:45 -0400
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >
> > My transcription of the route cards, Phil,  does not include any
> reference to route 69 being extended on down Murray and out to Kennywood.
> But two cars side-by-side at Kennywood with that sign up suggests it was
> done on peak days.   It would be very logical on Sundays or those days when
> schools were having their picnics at the park.
> >
> > Sixty-nine was essentially the same route except from the 1918 until
> 1958 except for changes in the downtown loop and the fact that it was rush
> hour only before Oct. 28, 1927.   The Diamond, Ferry, Ross, Diamond loop
> was used was used from 1937 until the end.
> >
> > Why was it rush hour only until 1927?   Probably because there was
> simply no demand until then.   For one thing, Squirrel Hill has long been a
> heavily Orthodox Jewish neighborhood, so that there would limited lower
> demand for through riding on route 69 than in other neighborhoods on the
> Sabbath.   Why not just let the folks transfer from route 60 to the trunk
> lines?   Second point ... Oakland, Shadyside and Squirrel Hill were low
> density neighborhoods ... homes of the rich ... mansions.   The students
> who later filled the cars were not there until the teens and later.   Frick
> Park, which is off base but it gives some idea, was part of Henry Clay
> Frick's own back yard, until 1919.   It was private land.   Carnegie Tech
> was founded in 1900 and construction was going on in 1905 in an empty field
> in Oakland; it was probably about 1909 that the first class graduated and
> it only had about 100 students.   University of Pittsburgh adopted its new
> name in 1908 and began relocating !
>  to!
> >   Oakland in 1909; the monstrous Cathedral of Learning was a vision of
> chancellor John Bowman in 1920 which he wanted to build on empty land in
> Oakland ... part of the Schenley Farm.   It was finished sometime early in
> 1930s ... I have a picture of my mother standing on the unfinished roof
> slab of that building in 1930.   Several sources say Squirrel Hill began to
> mushroom because of construction of the Boulevard of the Allies which was
> completed in 1923 to Oakland.
> >
> > Both those pictures have that certain smell like Charlie Dengler's hand
> was on the camera.?   One of the clues is that CD never spent any money on
> panchromatic film as long as there was cheaper orthochromatic film around.
>   Verichrome was good enough even if the reds were rendered as black and
> the blue skies washed out to white.
> >
> > That 1600 certainly exemplifies how one-off or one-of-a-kind cars lead
> orphan lives.  It was all over the system, from barn to barn, only lasting
> ten years until the fire.  We have pictures of it working out of Craft,
> Tunnel, Homewood, Herron Hill, Highland Park.  And yet it differs very
> little from the Johnstown and Philadelphia (2100s and 2700s) and Boston
> all-electrics.   But in Pittsburgh, the accelerator, the master controller,
> the line breaker, the window sash and many other parts were different from
> other cars.  Anything goes wrong, you wait for a part.
> >
> >
> > On Apr 30, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
> >
> > > Route 60 cars went to Kennywood at times.  Not sure about 69.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> > > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> Barry,
> > > Matthew R
> > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:59 PM
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
> > >
> > > A few weeks back, there was a photo being offered on eBay of 58
> Greenfield
> > > on Loretta Street between Murray and Greenfield Avenue, with a date of
> June
> > > 1958.   The abandonment dates of routes 68 and 69 were in Sept. 1958.
>  I
> > > noted in this photo, that the wiring that would've taken route 69 on
> its
> > > loop from Greenfield Avenue back to Murray Avenue, had been removed.
>   If
> > > the date of the photo was accurate, I wondered if in the latter years
> of
> > > service, route 69 cars travelled further, perhaps to Munhall Loop or to
> > > Kennywood Park.
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-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park