[PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

Tue May 1 22:13:31 EDT 2012

Mr.Long,

There were nine cars with produuction B3s (as noted, 1613 & 1614 received the
upgraded B3s.  These are the nine cars:

1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1619, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1648.  This leaves one set of
air-equipped B3s as spares.

Car 1644 received the Clark B2A trucks.

All the production B3s for the 1600-series air-cars were installed when they were
converted for interurban service; none of those cars operated with B2s.

Phil

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Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

Phil

I wrote my last note before seeing this one of yours.  Question:  what trucks were used under the conversions which were made before the ten-truck order was received from SLCC?  Were more B-2s weighted for temporary use until the B-3s arrived?  The 1948 dates of the balance of the conversions squares with the shipment of the ten-set order of B-3s from SLCC late the previous year.

Ultimately the “interurban 1600” fleet had ten cars with the 1947 B-3 trucks from SLCC plus 1613 with the original trial trucks from 1945.

Dwight

From: Phillip Clark Campbell 
Sent: Tuesday, 01 May, 2012 09:43
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
I found 'somewhere,' Mr.Lybarger!  I didn't need Gps; in fact, 'somewhere' is
stealth and hidden from Gps.

Car 1613 was pulled from Craft in December 1945 for conversion; she started
service later January-1946 -- the 26th?  I believe it was a Sunday.

Car 1614 was converted May-20-1946.  She was received Aug-13-1945 and
apparently assigned in the East along with 1646 and a few others.  Photos of
1646 on the 87 before conversion are on the inet.  Photos of 1619 as city car
are on route 94 yet 1613 was in Craft.

Cars 1617 and 1644 were converted in Feb and May respectively of 1947.  Of
course we know -- some do -- that 1644 reverted to city car by May-1949 don't we.

The balance of the cars were converted in 1948 so it is not as spread out as I wrote
is it.  The cars were converted in this order from Jan-May of 1948:  1615, 1616,
1618, 1619, 1646, 1647, 1648, 1645.

Phil

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Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

Mr.Lybarger;

Car 1613 was the first converted for interurban service and started in Jan-1946.
Car 1614 followed Spring-1946.  I have the dates 'somewhere' but 'somewhere'
is always difficult to locate.  In retrospect conversions seem 'slow' because it
happened over a couple years for just a dozen cars.

Here is another photo I found with the 1600 and 1609 both displaying 69-Kennywood.

Phil

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From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:30 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

Looks like a Charlie Dengler photo.  Somewhere we have data about when the
cars were converted for interurban service.  I want to say 1947-48 but don't
have a date off the top of my head.  Of course, 1613 and 1614 were sent out
to Washington beginning in 1946; the others followed after the experiment
was deemed successful.

Ed

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Clark Campbell
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Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

Mr.Lybarger;

Here is a picture of 1614 on 69 at Kennywood loop before conversion to
interurban.  This is obviously the mid 1940s; I don't know how long this
lasted.
I fouund tthis photo in the list archives.

http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/1614%2069%20OB%20Kennywo
od%201945xxxx.jpg

Phil

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

Route 60 cars went to Kennywood at times.  Not sure about 69.

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[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Barry,
Matthew R
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:59 PM
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Subject: [PRCo] Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

A few weeks back, there was a photo being offered on eBay of 58 Greenfield
on Loretta Street between Murray and Greenfield Avenue, with a date of June
1958.   The abandonment dates of routes 68 and 69 were in Sept. 1958.  I
noted in this photo, that the wiring that would've taken route 69 on its
loop from Greenfield Avenue back to Murray Avenue, had been removed.     If
the date of the photo was accurate, I wondered if in the latter years of
service, route 69 cars travelled further, perhaps to Munhall Loop or to
Kennywood Park.
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