[PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route

[Dwight Long]

Phil

OK, that makes sense because BOTH 1613 and 1614 were converted before the 
ten B-3s from SLCC arrived.

Are you saying that there were two other sets of B-3s that preceded the 
ten-set order?  From where did they come?  I had been under the impression 
that the trucks used under 1613 (and presumably 1614 as well) were modified 
B-2s, but I have no facts to support this supposition.  Any more information 
you might have on those would be appreciated.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phillip Clark Campbell" <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:13 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route


> Mr.Long,
>
> There were nine cars with produuction B3s (as noted, 1613 & 1614 received 
> the
> upgraded B3s. These are the nine cars:
>
>
> 1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1619, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1648. This leaves one set 
> of
> air-equipped B3s as spares.
>
>
> Car 1644 received the Clark B2A trucks.
>
> All the production B3s for the 1600-series air-cars were installed when 
> they were
> converted for interurban service; none of those cars operated with B2s.
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:44 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>
> Phil
>
> I wrote my last note before seeing this one of yours. Question: what 
> trucks were used under the conversions which were made before the 
> ten-truck order was received from SLCC? Were more B-2s weighted for 
> temporary use until the B-3s arrived? The 1948 dates of the balance of the 
> conversions squares with the shipment of the ten-set order of B-3s from 
> SLCC late the previous year.
>
> Ultimately the “interurban 1600” fleet had ten cars with the 1947 B-3 
> trucks from SLCC plus 1613 with the original trial trucks from 1945.
>
> Dwight
>
> From: Phillip Clark Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, 01 May, 2012 09:43
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
> I found 'somewhere,' Mr.Lybarger! I didn't need Gps; in fact, 'somewhere' 
> is
> stealth and hidden from Gps.
>
>
> Car 1613 was pulled from Craft in December 1945 for conversion; she 
> started
> service later January-1946 -- the 26th? I believe it was a Sunday.
>
>
> Car 1614 was converted May-20-1946. She was received Aug-13-1945 and
> apparently assigned in the East along with 1646 and a few others. Photos 
> of
> 1646 on the 87 before conversion are on the inet. Photos of 1619 as city 
> car
> are on route 94 yet 1613 was in Craft.
>
>
> Cars 1617 and 1644 were converted in Feb and May respectively of 1947. Of
> course we know -- some do -- that 1644 reverted to city car by May-1949 
> don't we.
>
> The balance of the cars were converted in 1948 so it is not as spread out 
> as I wrote
> is it. The cars were converted in this order from Jan-May of 1948: 1615, 
> 1616,
> 1618, 1619, 1646, 1647, 1648, 1645.
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
> To: "pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org" <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Cc: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 9:19 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>
> Mr.Lybarger;
>
> Car 1613 was the first converted for interurban service and started in 
> Jan-1946.
> Car 1614 followed Spring-1946. I have the dates 'somewhere' but 
> 'somewhere'
> is always difficult to locate. In retrospect conversions seem 'slow' 
> because it
> happened over a couple years for just a dozen cars.
>
> Here is another photo I found with the 1600 and 1609 both displaying 
> 69-Kennywood.
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:30 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>
> Looks like a Charlie Dengler photo. Somewhere we have data about when the
> cars were converted for interurban service. I want to say 1947-48 but 
> don't
> have a date off the top of my head. Of course, 1613 and 1614 were sent out
> to Washington beginning in 1946; the others followed after the experiment
> was deemed successful.
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Phillip
> Clark Campbell
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 8:26 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>
> Mr.Lybarger;
>
> Here is a picture of 1614 on 69 at Kennywood loop before conversion to
> interurban. This is obviously the mid 1940s; I don't know how long this
> lasted.
> I fouund tthis photo in the list archives.
>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/1614%2069%20OB%20Kennywo
> od%201945xxxx.jpg
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:17 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>
> Route 60 cars went to Kennywood at times. Not sure about 69.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Barry,
> Matthew R
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:59 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Question about 69 Squirrel Hill Route
>
> A few weeks back, there was a photo being offered on eBay of 58 Greenfield
> on Loretta Street between Murray and Greenfield Avenue, with a date of 
> June
> 1958.   The abandonment dates of routes 68 and 69 were in Sept. 1958. I
> noted in this photo, that the wiring that would've taken route 69 on its
> loop from Greenfield Avenue back to Murray Avenue, had been removed.   If
> the date of the photo was accurate, I wondered if in the latter years of
> service, route 69 cars travelled further, perhaps to Munhall Loop or to
> Kennywood Park.
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