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[Bob Rathke]

And I remember when the Flats was getting started in the late 60's.  My office was on Euclid Ave. near Public Square an d I had an apartment downtown for a while. T he streets were always deserted at night. 



Bob 



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From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net> 
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:40:50 AM 
Subject: [PRCo] Re: East Broad Top Railroad won't run this summer | News | CentreDaily.com 

Richard, 
That was then, this is now. 
The "Flats" is not the in-crowd area any longer. Everything has moved to 
the much larger (and much more expensive) area called the Warehouse 
District. The Flats on the west side of the Cuyahoga River is now home of 
the six-month old Cleveland Aquarium which brings in lots of new visitors. 
All of the former nightclubs on that side of the river are gone, having 
been replaced by apartments, stores and condos. The Flats-East Bank is 
under complete reconstruction and will bring the already large Warehouse 
District down the bluffs and along the river. This will also be the thing 
which will bring the RTA Waterfront Light Rail Line back to life seven days 
a week. Check out the website I cited earlier in this thread. In the Public 
Square, Warehouse, Gateway, 4th St/Entertainment, and Playhouse Square 
districts the sidewalks are crowded. Cleveland is also one of the few US 
cities where you will see police officers on horseback patrolling the 
downtown. 
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Richard Allman <allmanr at verizon.net>wrote: 

> my experience in downtown Cleveland on a Saturday night-admittedly, more 
> than 10 years ago-was a friend and I were there for a professional 
> conference at a downtown hotel and decided to venture out to a restaurant 
> for dinner-found the name of the place maybe 4 or 5 block walk from the 
> hotel, and the restaurant was decent if not great. What most struck us was 
> not that we were the least bit afraid, but that there was not a soul out on 
> the streets-talk about walking alone! The architecture of the city was very 
> pleasing and if only there had been some other people out to share it!The 
> only sign of life between the hotel and the restaurant and back was a very 
> deserted Rite Aid pharmacy open but also looking empty. The night before we 
> had walked over to the Flats, when it was still vibrant and had an 
> excellent 
> Greek meal. Maybe if they build it-all the proposed and underway 
> projects-they will come. Nothing wrong w/ downtown Cleveland that more 
> people could not improve! 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org> 
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:29 PM 
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: East Broad Top Railroad won't run this summer | News | 
> CentreDaily.com 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Herb 
> > 
> > Without disputing any of your other points, I would just comment that as 
> > low 
> > as Cleveland fell, it never reached the depths that Detroit did. 
> > 
> > Dwight 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net> 
> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org> 
> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:39 PM 
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: East Broad Top Railroad won't run this summer | News 
> | 
> > CentreDaily.com 
> > 
> > 
> >> Phillip, 
> >> I liken Cleveland and Northeastern Ohio to the Lady GaGa tune entitled, 
> >> "Hanging On The Edge Of Glory". It had gone as far down as any city 
> could 
> >> go. There was no place to go but up. Then, through better management of 
> >> the 
> >> city, creation of a "Mayor-Manager-Council" form of government for 
> >> Cuyahoga 
> >> County, imprisonment of many former city and county blowhards who were 
> >> nothing more than common thieves, Â rebuilding of former crime ridden 
> >> neighborhoods into livable communities with something more than 
> >> rectangular 
> >> boxes for living spaces, public welfare reform, and many public-private 
> >> building projects the city is sitting on the edge of a boom which should 
> >> bring Cleveland close to the importance, in the realm of American 
> cities, 
> >> it enjoyed in the 1945-1955 era. 
> >> Just last Monday the Horseshoe Casino opened, on Public Square, in the 
> >> former Higbee Department Store building. Just this past Friday the 
> >> Horseshoe took in more money than all but one other casino in the entire 
> >> United States. Yes, that's every other U.S. casino except one in Las 
> >> Vegas. 
> >> The average waiting time to get into the gaming floor is about three 
> >> hours. 
> >> 
> >> To check out the projects under construction in Cleveland, check out 
> this 
> >> website::: 
> >> :Current Cleveland 
> >> Projects<http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=97396>. 
> >> Also, be sure to watch the 3minute41second video at the top of the 
> >> website before you scroll down through the projects. The video was 
> >> produced 
> >> by the Cleveland Downtown Alliance and is really good. 
> >> 
> >> Derrick, 
> >> You mentioned the "three C's" (Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati). Don't 
> >> forget that only Cleveland has electrical transportation. My main 
> concern 
> >> about the other two Cs is the hold that the far-right politicos have on 
> >> them. Cleveland is very much like Pittsburgh politically and socially. 
> >> The 
> >> steel mills even still exist in great numbers in Cleveland. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com> 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Phillip Clark Campbell 
> >>> <pcc_sr at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> >>> > This is a very impressive resume of the CVSR Mr.Brannon. Â It is 
> >>> > very much in line with the current Cleveland transit system. Â They 
> >>> > seem 
> >>> > to not only counter trends in other cities where massive cutbacks are 
> >>> > the rule but Cleveland and Ohio are growing. Â They seem to be 
> >>> > systems to emulate. 
> >>> 
> >>> Cleveland, yes. Ohio? Well, it seems like transit in Ohio is all the 3 
> >>> Cs (basically, the places I'd be willing to live) 
> >>> and the rest of it is "hey, can we put another road to some new 
> >>> suburban development?" 
> >>> 
> >>> Pittsburgh is supposed to have an intense rivalry with Cleveland (and 
> >>> Cincinnati at least in football) but I see them 
> >>> as very similar places, places I'd feel at home much like here. 
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
> >>> Derrick 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Herb Brannon 
> >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Herb Brannon 
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park