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[Dwight Long]

Herb

NOLA is another.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:40 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: East Broad Top Railroad won't run this summer | News | 
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> Richard,
> That was then, this is now.
> The "Flats" is not the in-crowd area any longer. Everything has moved to
> the much larger (and much more expensive) area called the Warehouse
> District. The Flats on the west side of the Cuyahoga River is now home of
> the six-month old Cleveland Aquarium which brings in lots of new visitors.
> All of the former nightclubs on that side of the river are gone, having
> been replaced by apartments, stores and condos. The Flats-East Bank is
> under complete reconstruction and will bring the already large Warehouse
> District down the bluffs and along the river. This will also be the thing
> which will bring the RTA Waterfront Light Rail Line back to life seven 
> days
> a week. Check out the website I cited earlier in this thread. In the 
> Public
> Square, Warehouse, Gateway, 4th St/Entertainment, and Playhouse Square
> districts the sidewalks are crowded. Cleveland is also one of the few US
> cities where you will see police officers on horseback patrolling the
> downtown.
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Richard Allman 
> <allmanr at verizon.net>wrote:
>
>> my experience in downtown Cleveland on a Saturday night-admittedly, more
>> than 10 years ago-was a friend and I were there for a professional
>> conference at a downtown hotel and decided to venture out to a restaurant
>> for dinner-found the name of the place maybe 4 or 5 block walk from the
>> hotel, and the restaurant was decent if not great. What most struck us 
>> was
>> not that we were the least bit afraid, but that there was not a soul out 
>> on
>> the streets-talk about walking alone! The architecture of the city was 
>> very
>> pleasing and if only there had been some other people out to share it!The
>> only sign of life between the hotel and the restaurant and back was a 
>> very
>> deserted Rite Aid pharmacy open but also looking empty. The night before 
>> we
>> had walked over to the Flats, when it was still vibrant and had an
>> excellent
>> Greek meal. Maybe if they build it-all the proposed and underway
>> projects-they will come. Nothing wrong w/ downtown Cleveland that more
>> people could not improve!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:29 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: East Broad Top Railroad won't run this summer | News 
>> |
>> CentreDaily.com
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Herb
>> >
>> > Without disputing any of your other points, I would just comment that 
>> > as
>> > low
>> > as Cleveland fell, it never reached the depths that Detroit did.
>> >
>> > Dwight
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:39 PM
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: East Broad Top Railroad won't run this summer | 
>> > News
>> |
>> > CentreDaily.com
>> >
>> >
>> >> Phillip,
>> >> I liken Cleveland and Northeastern Ohio to the Lady GaGa tune 
>> >> entitled,
>> >> "Hanging On The Edge Of Glory". It had gone as far down as any city
>> could
>> >> go. There was no place to go but up. Then, through better management 
>> >> of
>> >> the
>> >> city, creation of a "Mayor-Manager-Council" form of government for
>> >> Cuyahoga
>> >> County, imprisonment of many former city and county blowhards who were
>> >> nothing more than common thieves,  rebuilding of former crime ridden
>> >> neighborhoods into livable communities with something more than
>> >> rectangular
>> >> boxes for living spaces, public welfare reform, and many 
>> >> public-private
>> >> building projects the city is sitting on the edge of a boom which 
>> >> should
>> >> bring Cleveland close to the importance, in the realm of American
>> cities,
>> >> it enjoyed in the 1945-1955 era.
>> >> Just last Monday the Horseshoe Casino opened, on Public Square, in the
>> >> former Higbee Department Store building. Just this past Friday the
>> >> Horseshoe took in more money than all but one other casino in the 
>> >> entire
>> >> United States. Yes, that's every other U.S. casino except one in Las
>> >> Vegas.
>> >> The average waiting time to get into the gaming floor is about three
>> >> hours.
>> >>
>> >> To check out the projects under construction in Cleveland, check out
>> this
>> >> website:::
>> >> :Current Cleveland
>> >> Projects<http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=97396>.
>> >> Also, be sure to watch the 3minute41second video at the top of the
>> >> website before you scroll down through the projects. The video was
>> >> produced
>> >> by the Cleveland Downtown Alliance and is really good.
>> >>
>> >> Derrick,
>> >> You mentioned the "three C's" (Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati). Don't
>> >> forget that only Cleveland has electrical transportation. My main
>> concern
>> >> about the other two Cs is the hold that the far-right politicos have 
>> >> on
>> >> them. Cleveland is very much like Pittsburgh politically and socially.
>> >> The
>> >> steel mills even still exist in great numbers in Cleveland.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Phillip Clark Campbell
>> >>> <pcc_sr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> > This is a very impressive resume of the CVSR Mr.Brannon.  It is
>> >>> > very much in line with the current Cleveland transit system.  They
>> >>> > seem
>> >>> > to not only counter trends in other cities where massive cutbacks 
>> >>> > are
>> >>> > the rule but Cleveland and Ohio are growing.  They seem to be
>> >>> > systems to emulate.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cleveland, yes. Ohio? Well, it seems like transit in Ohio is all the 
>> >>> 3
>> >>> Cs (basically, the places I'd be willing to live)
>> >>> and the rest of it is "hey, can we put another road to some new
>> >>> suburban development?"
>> >>>
>> >>> Pittsburgh is supposed to have an intense rivalry with Cleveland (and
>> >>> Cincinnati at least in football) but I see them
>> >>> as very similar places, places I'd feel at home much like here.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Derrick
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Herb Brannon
>> >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>
> -- 
> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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