[PRCo] Re: PRCo Photo Wiki?

[Phillip Clark Campbell]

Yes, Mr.Schneider.  My opening comment in my;prior post acknowledges
point and click is most definitely considered creative ability protected
by current copyright law.  I am not contesting law.  My opening comment
quoted below emphasizes Mr.Keener's comment about point and click
considered creative for copyright purposes.

I am observing there is one horrendous difference between point and
click and blank canvas with brush - the former is recording what is
seen in a split-second isn't it.  The latter takes true talent and
creative ability to 'paint' from scratch the same scene that an object
in the hands of any individual 'records.'

If there was a ground swell of opinion to eliminate point and click
from the copyright law it is very possible to happen isn't it.  This
has happened to topics far more important than copyright hasn't
it.  Thus my observation about legality in one state is illegal in
another.  Being jurisdictional is 'patently' obvious isn't it.  Using
such as justification is an excuse, definitely not a reason.  It is
dismissive, not dealing with the topic at hand.

Freedom of choice to share or not share is not at all contested; each
has that opportunity.  Thank you to those who share; respect goes
to those who choose not to share.  It is that simple isn't it.


Phil





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> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
>Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 12:22 PM
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo Photo Wiki?
> 
>
>Phillip:
>
>There is an old line that a professional could do much more with a Brownie than any rank amateur with a Speed Graphic.  
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>Law applies to everyone regardless of who wants the picture posted for their pleasure.
>
>Fred
>
>
>On May 25, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
>
>> Mr.Keener,
>> 
>> 
>> Your comment is interesting and most likely harmonizes with
>> copyright law.  But spin is still spin isn't it.  One can hardly
>> equate point and click with artistic expression that starts
>> totally from scratch.  Brownie cameras of yore were point
>> and click; it is not unique to the digital world.  One can ask:
>> Why does what I do in public become the private property
>> of another individual simply because he points and clicks?
>> Why do I lose my rights to privacy while he gains rights
>> of privacy / copyright which includes me?  One 'generally'
>> cannot contest being photographed in public.  The same
>> photo then becomes private copyright property of another
>> doesn't it.  What are we missing here?  A parallel observation:
>> What is legal in one country is sometimes illegal in another
>> country isn't it.  We don't need to leave the country for this
>> experience do we.  Some states in the U.S.A. forbid what other
>> states allow.  Is this 'equality' of law which is part of our
>> Constitution?  Isn't this the "United" States?  This sounds more
>> divisive doesn't it.
>> 
>> 
>> Just some thoughts.  With 100-people it is most likely 1,000-more
>> conflicting thoughts can be expressed isn't it.  We shall most likely
>> hear some won't we.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jim Keener <jimktrains at gmail.com>
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:31 AM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo Photo Wiki?
>>> 
>>> That's arguably an unfair way to look at it. A photograph is as
>>> much art as a painting. His vision and knowledge and time went into it.
>>> He has every right to not show just anyone his work.
>>> 
>>> My only argument is that the internet is not public domain. 
>>> Copyright exists on it, though it does become harder to enforce and
>>> easier to copy.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Boris Cefer <westinghouse at iol.cz> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is everyone's decision, however...
>>> 
>>> All that belongs to the public before you steal it by your camera for 
>>> yourself should belong to the public again and the internet is the most 
>>> appropriate place to display it.
>>> 
>>> No discussion!
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:45 PM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo Photo Wiki?
>>> 
>>> The one reason I have never posted anything valuable on the internet is 
>>> simply that it will forever be lost to me. It becomes public domain. In 
>>> otherwords, not interested.
>