[PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net

Wed Nov 14 16:37:37 EST 2012

Fred,
Now I see what all the confusion is about. I am the one who mislabeled the
photo "5thAve". I knew it was Forbes all along but for some unknown reason
wrote 5th to label the photo in "My Pictures". Should have been labeled
Forbes all along. I was wondering why there was so much comment on the
location. No, it's not 5th, but Forbes. I wasn't thinking when I labeled it.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Bob
>
> That would have been double end cars then on Rt. 5.
>
> The fot I commented on was a PCC!
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:44 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>
>
> >
> > A friend from Pittsburgh told meÂ that i n the 1930's and early 40's Â he
> > and his young friends on Spring Hill often helped the motormen Â on
> > single-end cars on Route 5 .Â The hung around the end of track on Rhine
> > St., and when an outbound trolley stopped there, they would lower and
> > raise the trolley poles for the motormen.Â Their reward was free rides.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:36:40 AM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > Interesting selection. Â I took a few pix of the demolition of the WPT
> > building in 1954, but this selection is much more comprehensive. Â I
> > wonder what the folks that have congregated by the river are there
> > forâ?"or discussing!
> >
> > In the PRC shots, did you note that someone, who does not appear to be a
> > PRC employee, is handling the trolley rope on the shot of 1507 in
> Oakland?
> > Â Wonder what that was about! And 1666 seems to have had a bit of a
> > mishapâ?"perhaps that truck hit it?
> >
> > Thanks for forwarding.
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > From: Phillip Clark Campbell
> > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, 2012 09:34
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
> > I second your choice, Mr.Long!Ã, Â Both of those buildings are classic
> > aren't they.Ã, Â Here is a decent shot of the Wabash from one angle:
> > <
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=wabash;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;back=back1352902480;subview=detail;resnum=82;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpichswp;entryid=x-msp285.b003.f02.i01;viewid=ACCD0180.TIF
> >
> >
> > More of the Wabash are here but mostly demolition:
> > <
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=81;q1=wabash;back=back1352902470;size=20
> >
> >
> > It seems all these photos have made the rounds before doesn't it;
> > the university site is home to many.Ã, Â Here are some of the
> > Diamond Market:
> > <
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;q1=Diamond;q2=Market;back=back1352902981;size=20;start=1
> >
> > Streetcars are latter day additions to much of Diamond aren't
> > they.Ã, Â Tracks turned to and from Grant initially; I believe it was in
> > the 1920s when tracks were first extended across Grant, Smithfield,
> > and Wood to the Market.Ã, Â Tracks are not in evidence in 1921 when
> > the Market was built are they.Ã, Â Diamond looks rather pristine in
> > 1928 with tracks.
> >
> > Here are a couple more collections of trolleys and streetcars.Ã, Â It
> > seems that many other photos are available but not labeled for
> > these categories nor for Pittsburgy Railways Company.Ã, Â I am
> > always finding photos with streetcars that do not fit these
> > collections:
> > <
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=281;q1=trolley;back=back1352902275;size=20
> >
> >
> > <
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=61;q1=streetcar;back=back1352902198;size=20
> >
> >
> > <
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?sid=46017d0da922f44c8f50880157b2c73f;rgn1=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=181;q1=Pittsburgh%20Railways;back=back1352902064;size=20
> >
> >
> > A repeat of photos in the collections are common.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>________________________________
> >> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> >>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:59 PM
> >>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
> >>
> >>
> >>Fred
> >>
> >>Yes, that is an interesting old fot but I think that the one which shows
> >>both the Diamond Market and the Wabash Terminal is the gem of the bunch
> as
> >>it shows the two Pgh icons.Ã, Â The time frame when this could be done is
> >>very
> >>narrow--from 1949 through late 1953 or perhaps early 1954, as it was in
> >>the
> >>latter year that the Terminal was razed.Ã, Â Might be able to zero in on
> >>the
> >>year by looking closely at autos, but I did not take the time to do that.
> >>
> >>Dwight
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> >>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:13 PM
> >>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
> >>
> >>
> >>> The real gem is the first one Ã¢â,¬Â¦ the picture of the rear of the
> >>> 4000
> >>> (Brill 1909) on one of the Highland Park lines probably around 1920.Ã,
> Â
> >>> I
> >>> printed it but I still cannot read the street name behind the tree
> above
> >>> the man.Ã, Â I drove my Google-Mobile over all the logical streets and
> I
> >>> cannot locate those buildings Ã¢â,¬Â¦ i.e. Highland, Negley, Centre,
> >>> lower
> >>> Fifth, lower Forbes.Ã, Â I know the caption reads 5th Avenue but South
> >>> Highland ran via Forbes so my first instinct was to try all sorts of
> >>> combinations.Ã, Â Nothing works today because too many buildings have
> >>> been
> >>> torn down.Ã, Â I would relish having a 110 year old geezer tell me, "I
> >>> know
> >>> where it is Ã¢â,¬Â¦ I lived there."Ã, Â Unfortunately a lot of the
> heart
> >>> of East
> >>> Liberty was been demolished by Urban Ruinall.Ã, Â Lower Forbes was
> wiped
> >>> out
> >>> by the Crosstown Expressway and the Boulevard of the Allies.Ã, Â Many
> of
> >>> the
> >>> homes on very lower Herron Hill disappeared in the Civic Arena project.
> >>> Since then the next mile has had many of the old homes r!
> >>> eplaced by newer ones.Ã, Â And farther out Centre more than half the
> >>> buildings simply disappeared Ã¢â,¬Â¦looks like Euclid Avenue in
> >>> Cleveland.Ã, Â The
> >>> hill does feel right for lower Forbes or lower 5th, however; it's just
> >>> that the buildings are there today.
> >>>
> >>> And guys, how would you like to carry that suitcaseÃ, Â (sitting on the
> >>> curb)
> >>> filled with glass plate holders when you go out to take pictures?Ã, Â
> >>> And
> >>> the tripod? And a 4x5 or 8x10 view camera and several lenses and
> >>> lensboards?Ã, Â A dozen years ago I bought a 4x5 view camera and then
> >>> built
> >>> a wooden case to hold it and all the trappings Ã¢â,¬Â¦ weighs a ton.Ã,
> Â
> >>> I think
> >>> by the time I was done it had cost me close to $100 for every picture I
> >>> took before I gave up the experiment.Ã, Â My wife is using the case as
> a
> >>> table to hold a lamp in the back bedroom.Ã, Â And if I wanted to use
> it,
> >>> where the hell would I get fil-em today?Ã, Â Kodak quit making all the
> >>> good
> >>> stuff like TriX and SuperpanchroPress B and PlusX.
> >>>
> >>> The second one is the Brookline loop.
> >>>
> >>> The third would be Tunnel Yard during the Deiselheimer Era.Ã, Â For
> >>> those who
> >>> don't know that moniker, there were a number of Electric Railroaders
> >>> Association members who applied it to Harold G because he worked for a
> >>> bus
> >>> company.
> >>>
> >>> The fourth looks up Diamond Alley from Liberty.Ã, Â You don't get it?Ã,
> >>> Â Well
> >>> they changed the name from Diamond Alley to Diamond St. to Forbes
> Avenue
> >>> but the city fathers never actually widened that street.Ã, Â The
> >>> building on
> >>> the right with the Corinthian Columns is the Wabash Terminal. Judging
> by
> >>> the automobiles and the presence of a 1700, its after the fire that
> >>> destroyed the trainshed and before the redevelopment in the Point.
> >>>
> >>> And the last one was taken when route 56 was the only carline left in
> >>> McKeesport.Ã, Â McKeesport was one of the worst hurt of the suburban
> >>> towns
> >>> first because the United Steel Workers employes got wages high enough
> to
> >>> get out of that smog infested valley and move to the suburbs and drive
> >>> to
> >>> work in their new cars, and then because those higher wages were more
> >>> than
> >>> foreign steel workers were paying, steel simply collapsed.Ã, Â
> >>> McKeesport's
> >>> population peaked in1940at 55,355.Ã, Â In 1930, with a cluster of West
> >>> Penn
> >>> and Pittsburgh Railways carlines, it had almost 55,000 people.Ã, Â But
> >>> then
> >>> after the war people began to leave for the suburbs.Ã, Â The 2010
> census
> >>> showed only 17,731 left Ã¢â,¬Â¦ it had dropped 18% since 2000.Ã, Â
> >>> Wikipedia has a
> >>> fairly decent description of the town and they actually included the
> >>> last
> >>> 160 years of population data in one of the most recent changes.
> >>>
> >>>Ã, Â Ã, Â http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKeesport,_Pennsylvania
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If anyone has anything to add concerning location, photographer, etc.,
> >>>> have
> >>>> at it. These I found during random searches of the Internet. I don't
> >>>> remember these being shown before on The List, however, they may have
> >>>> been.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Herb Brannon
> >>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoStreetcar5thAve.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC1607.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC%20Transitway.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCDiamondMkt.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCMcKeesport.jpg
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park