[PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net

Wed Nov 14 16:45:28 EST 2012

Historic Pittsburgh also calls it 5th. I'll see Miriam on Tuesday, so,
maybe she can get it fixed.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
> Fred,
> Now I see what all the confusion is about. I am the one who mislabeled the
> photo "5thAve". I knew it was Forbes all along but for some unknown reason
> wrote 5th to label the photo in "My Pictures". Should have been labeled
> Forbes all along. I was wondering why there was so much comment on the
> location. No, it's not 5th, but Forbes. I wasn't thinking when I labeled it.
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> That would have been double end cars then on Rt. 5.
>>
>> The fot I commented on was a PCC!
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:44 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>>
>>
>> >
>> > A friend from Pittsburgh told meย that i n the 1930's and early 40's ย he
>> > and his young friends on Spring Hill often helped the motormen ย on
>> > single-end cars on Route 5 .ย The hung around the end of track on Rhine
>> > St., and when an outbound trolley stopped there, they would lower and
>> > raise the trolley poles for the motormen.ย Their reward was free rides.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> >
>> > From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:36:40 AM
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
>> > Interesting selection. ย I took a few pix of the demolition of the WPT
>> > building in 1954, but this selection is much more comprehensive. ย I
>> > wonder what the folks that have congregated by the river are there
>> > forโ?"or discussing!
>> >
>> > In the PRC shots, did you note that someone, who does not appear to be a
>> > PRC employee, is handling the trolley rope on the shot of 1507 in
>> Oakland?
>> > ย Wonder what that was about! And 1666 seems to have had a bit of a
>> > mishapโ?"perhaps that truck hit it?
>> >
>> > Thanks for forwarding.
>> >
>> > Dwight
>> >
>> > From: Phillip Clark Campbell
>> > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, 2012 09:34
>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>> > I second your choice, Mr.Long!ร, ย Both of those buildings are classic
>> > aren't they.ร, ย Here is a decent shot of the Wabash from one angle:
>> > <
>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=wabash;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;back=back1352902480;subview=detail;resnum=82;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpichswp;entryid=x-msp285.b003.f02.i01;viewid=ACCD0180.TIF
>> >
>> >
>> > More of the Wabash are here but mostly demolition:
>> > <
>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=81;q1=wabash;back=back1352902470;size=20
>> >
>> >
>> > It seems all these photos have made the rounds before doesn't it;
>> > the university site is home to many.ร, ย Here are some of the
>> > Diamond Market:
>> > <
>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;q1=Diamond;q2=Market;back=back1352902981;size=20;start=1
>> >
>> > Streetcars are latter day additions to much of Diamond aren't
>> > they.ร, ย Tracks turned to and from Grant initially; I believe it was in
>> > the 1920s when tracks were first extended across Grant, Smithfield,
>> > and Wood to the Market.ร, ย Tracks are not in evidence in 1921 when
>> > the Market was built are they.ร, ย Diamond looks rather pristine in
>> > 1928 with tracks.
>> >
>> > Here are a couple more collections of trolleys and streetcars.ร, ย It
>> > seems that many other photos are available but not labeled for
>> > these categories nor for Pittsburgy Railways Company.ร, ย I am
>> > always finding photos with streetcars that do not fit these
>> > collections:
>> > <
>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=281;q1=trolley;back=back1352902275;size=20
>> >
>> >
>> > <
>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=61;q1=streetcar;back=back1352902198;size=20
>> >
>> >
>> > <
>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?sid=46017d0da922f44c8f50880157b2c73f;rgn1=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=181;q1=Pittsburgh%20Railways;back=back1352902064;size=20
>> >
>> >
>> > A repeat of photos in the collections are common.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>________________________________
>> >> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>> >>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:59 PM
>> >>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Fred
>> >>
>> >>Yes, that is an interesting old fot but I think that the one which shows
>> >>both the Diamond Market and the Wabash Terminal is the gem of the bunch
>> as
>> >>it shows the two Pgh icons.ร, ย The time frame when this could be done is
>> >>very
>> >>narrow--from 1949 through late 1953 or perhaps early 1954, as it was in
>> >>the
>> >>latter year that the Terminal was razed.ร, ย Might be able to zero in on
>> >>the
>> >>year by looking closely at autos, but I did not take the time to do that.
>> >>
>> >>Dwight
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>> >>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:13 PM
>> >>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> The real gem is the first one รขโ,ฌยฆ the picture of the rear of the
>> >>> 4000
>> >>> (Brill 1909) on one of the Highland Park lines probably around 1920.ร,
>> ย
>> >>> I
>> >>> printed it but I still cannot read the street name behind the tree
>> above
>> >>> the man.ร, ย I drove my Google-Mobile over all the logical streets and
>> I
>> >>> cannot locate those buildings รขโ,ฌยฆ i.e. Highland, Negley, Centre,
>> >>> lower
>> >>> Fifth, lower Forbes.ร, ย I know the caption reads 5th Avenue but South
>> >>> Highland ran via Forbes so my first instinct was to try all sorts of
>> >>> combinations.ร, ย Nothing works today because too many buildings have
>> >>> been
>> >>> torn down.ร, ย I would relish having a 110 year old geezer tell me, "I
>> >>> know
>> >>> where it is รขโ,ฌยฆ I lived there."ร, ย Unfortunately a lot of the
>> heart
>> >>> of East
>> >>> Liberty was been demolished by Urban Ruinall.ร, ย Lower Forbes was
>> wiped
>> >>> out
>> >>> by the Crosstown Expressway and the Boulevard of the Allies.ร, ย Many
>> of
>> >>> the
>> >>> homes on very lower Herron Hill disappeared in the Civic Arena project.
>> >>> Since then the next mile has had many of the old homes r!
>> >>> eplaced by newer ones.ร, ย And farther out Centre more than half the
>> >>> buildings simply disappeared รขโ,ฌยฆlooks like Euclid Avenue in
>> >>> Cleveland.ร, ย The
>> >>> hill does feel right for lower Forbes or lower 5th, however; it's just
>> >>> that the buildings are there today.
>> >>>
>> >>> And guys, how would you like to carry that suitcaseร, ย (sitting on the
>> >>> curb)
>> >>> filled with glass plate holders when you go out to take pictures?ร, ย
>> >>> And
>> >>> the tripod? And a 4x5 or 8x10 view camera and several lenses and
>> >>> lensboards?ร, ย A dozen years ago I bought a 4x5 view camera and then
>> >>> built
>> >>> a wooden case to hold it and all the trappings รขโ,ฌยฆ weighs a ton.ร,
>> ย
>> >>> I think
>> >>> by the time I was done it had cost me close to $100 for every picture I
>> >>> took before I gave up the experiment.ร, ย My wife is using the case as
>> a
>> >>> table to hold a lamp in the back bedroom.ร, ย And if I wanted to use
>> it,
>> >>> where the hell would I get fil-em today?ร, ย Kodak quit making all the
>> >>> good
>> >>> stuff like TriX and SuperpanchroPress B and PlusX.
>> >>>
>> >>> The second one is the Brookline loop.
>> >>>
>> >>> The third would be Tunnel Yard during the Deiselheimer Era.ร, ย For
>> >>> those who
>> >>> don't know that moniker, there were a number of Electric Railroaders
>> >>> Association members who applied it to Harold G because he worked for a
>> >>> bus
>> >>> company.
>> >>>
>> >>> The fourth looks up Diamond Alley from Liberty.ร, ย You don't get it?ร,
>> >>> ย Well
>> >>> they changed the name from Diamond Alley to Diamond St. to Forbes
>> Avenue
>> >>> but the city fathers never actually widened that street.ร, ย The
>> >>> building on
>> >>> the right with the Corinthian Columns is the Wabash Terminal. Judging
>> by
>> >>> the automobiles and the presence of a 1700, its after the fire that
>> >>> destroyed the trainshed and before the redevelopment in the Point.
>> >>>
>> >>> And the last one was taken when route 56 was the only carline left in
>> >>> McKeesport.ร, ย McKeesport was one of the worst hurt of the suburban
>> >>> towns
>> >>> first because the United Steel Workers employes got wages high enough
>> to
>> >>> get out of that smog infested valley and move to the suburbs and drive
>> >>> to
>> >>> work in their new cars, and then because those higher wages were more
>> >>> than
>> >>> foreign steel workers were paying, steel simply collapsed.ร, ย
>> >>> McKeesport's
>> >>> population peaked in1940at 55,355.ร, ย In 1930, with a cluster of West
>> >>> Penn
>> >>> and Pittsburgh Railways carlines, it had almost 55,000 people.ร, ย But
>> >>> then
>> >>> after the war people began to leave for the suburbs.ร, ย The 2010
>> census
>> >>> showed only 17,731 left รขโ,ฌยฆ it had dropped 18% since 2000.ร, ย
>> >>> Wikipedia has a
>> >>> fairly decent description of the town and they actually included the
>> >>> last
>> >>> 160 years of population data in one of the most recent changes.
>> >>>
>> >>>ร, ย ร, ย http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKeesport,_Pennsylvania
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> If anyone has anything to add concerning location, photographer, etc.,
>> >>>> have
>> >>>> at it. These I found during random searches of the Internet. I don't
>> >>>> remember these being shown before on The List, however, they may have
>> >>>> been.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Herb Brannon
>> >>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoStreetcar5thAve.jpg
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC1607.jpg
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC%20Transitway.jpg
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCDiamondMkt.jpg
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCMcKeesport.jpg
>> >>
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>
>
> --
> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>
>

-- 
Derrick