[PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net

[Herb Brannon]

I didn't get it off "Historic Pgh". It came off some other site through my
search program which operates different than the usual search engines. A
friend in Orlando who works as an IT tech at a community college made up
the search program. It just delivers photos back to me not websites.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com> wrote:

> Historic Pittsburgh also calls it 5th. I'll see Miriam on Tuesday, so,
> maybe she can get it fixed.
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
> > Fred,
> > Now I see what all the confusion is about. I am the one who mislabeled
> the
> > photo "5thAve". I knew it was Forbes all along but for some unknown
> reason
> > wrote 5th to label the photo in "My Pictures". Should have been labeled
> > Forbes all along. I was wondering why there was so much comment on the
> > location. No, it's not 5th, but Forbes. I wasn't thinking when I labeled
> it.
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> That would have been double end cars then on Rt. 5.
> >>
> >> The fot I commented on was a PCC!
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:44 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > A friend from Pittsburgh told me that i n the 1930's and early 40's
> Â he
> >> > and his young friends on Spring Hill often helped the motormen  on
> >> > single-end cars on Route 5 . The hung around the end of track on
> Rhine
> >> > St., and when an outbound trolley stopped there, they would lower and
> >> > raise the trolley poles for the motormen. Their reward was free
> rides.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Bob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> >> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:36:40 AM
> >> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
> >> >
> >> > Phil
> >> >
> >> > Interesting selection. Â I took a few pix of the demolition of the WPT
> >> > building in 1954, but this selection is much more comprehensive. Â I
> >> > wonder what the folks that have congregated by the river are there
> >> > forâ?"or discussing!
> >> >
> >> > In the PRC shots, did you note that someone, who does not appear to
> be a
> >> > PRC employee, is handling the trolley rope on the shot of 1507 in
> >> Oakland?
> >> > Â Wonder what that was about! And 1666 seems to have had a bit of a
> >> > mishapâ?"perhaps that truck hit it?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for forwarding.
> >> >
> >> > Dwight
> >> >
> >> > From: Phillip Clark Campbell
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, 2012 09:34
> >> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
> >> > I second your choice, Mr.Long!Ã, Â Both of those buildings are classic
> >> > aren't they.Ã, Â Here is a decent shot of the Wabash from one angle:
> >> > <
> >>
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=wabash;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;back=back1352902480;subview=detail;resnum=82;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpichswp;entryid=x-msp285.b003.f02.i01;viewid=ACCD0180.TIF
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > More of the Wabash are here but mostly demolition:
> >> > <
> >>
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=81;q1=wabash;back=back1352902470;size=20
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It seems all these photos have made the rounds before doesn't it;
> >> > the university site is home to many.Ã, Â Here are some of the
> >> > Diamond Market:
> >> > <
> >>
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;q1=Diamond;q2=Market;back=back1352902981;size=20;start=1
> >> >
> >> > Streetcars are latter day additions to much of Diamond aren't
> >> > they.Ã, Â Tracks turned to and from Grant initially; I believe it was
> in
> >> > the 1920s when tracks were first extended across Grant, Smithfield,
> >> > and Wood to the Market.Ã, Â Tracks are not in evidence in 1921 when
> >> > the Market was built are they.Ã, Â Diamond looks rather pristine in
> >> > 1928 with tracks.
> >> >
> >> > Here are a couple more collections of trolleys and streetcars.Ã, Â It
> >> > seems that many other photos are available but not labeled for
> >> > these categories nor for Pittsburgy Railways Company.Ã, Â I am
> >> > always finding photos with streetcars that do not fit these
> >> > collections:
> >> > <
> >>
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=281;q1=trolley;back=back1352902275;size=20
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <
> >>
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=61;q1=streetcar;back=back1352902198;size=20
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <
> >>
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?sid=46017d0da922f44c8f50880157b2c73f;rgn1=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=181;q1=Pittsburgh%20Railways;back=back1352902064;size=20
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > A repeat of photos in the collections are common.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Phil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>________________________________
> >> >> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> >> >>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:59 PM
> >> >>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Fred
> >> >>
> >> >>Yes, that is an interesting old fot but I think that the one which
> shows
> >> >>both the Diamond Market and the Wabash Terminal is the gem of the
> bunch
> >> as
> >> >>it shows the two Pgh icons.Ã, Â The time frame when this could be
> done is
> >> >>very
> >> >>narrow--from 1949 through late 1953 or perhaps early 1954, as it was
> in
> >> >>the
> >> >>latter year that the Terminal was razed.Ã, Â Might be able to zero in
> on
> >> >>the
> >> >>year by looking closely at autos, but I did not take the time to do
> that.
> >> >>
> >> >>Dwight
> >> >>
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> >> >>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:13 PM
> >> >>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> The real gem is the first one ââ,¬Â¦ the picture of the rear of the
> >> >>> 4000
> >> >>> (Brill 1909) on one of the Highland Park lines probably around
> 1920.Ã,
> >> Â
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> printed it but I still cannot read the street name behind the tree
> >> above
> >> >>> the man.Ã, Â I drove my Google-Mobile over all the logical streets
> and
> >> I
> >> >>> cannot locate those buildings ââ,¬Â¦ i.e. Highland, Negley, Centre,
> >> >>> lower
> >> >>> Fifth, lower Forbes.Ã, Â I know the caption reads 5th Avenue but
> South
> >> >>> Highland ran via Forbes so my first instinct was to try all sorts of
> >> >>> combinations.Ã, Â Nothing works today because too many buildings
> have
> >> >>> been
> >> >>> torn down.Ã, Â I would relish having a 110 year old geezer tell me,
> "I
> >> >>> know
> >> >>> where it is ââ,¬Â¦ I lived there."Ã,  Unfortunately a lot of the
> >> heart
> >> >>> of East
> >> >>> Liberty was been demolished by Urban Ruinall.Ã, Â Lower Forbes was
> >> wiped
> >> >>> out
> >> >>> by the Crosstown Expressway and the Boulevard of the Allies.Ã, Â
> Many
> >> of
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> homes on very lower Herron Hill disappeared in the Civic Arena
> project.
> >> >>> Since then the next mile has had many of the old homes r!
> >> >>> eplaced by newer ones.Ã, Â And farther out Centre more than half the
> >> >>> buildings simply disappeared ââ,¬Â¦looks like Euclid Avenue in
> >> >>> Cleveland.Ã, Â The
> >> >>> hill does feel right for lower Forbes or lower 5th, however; it's
> just
> >> >>> that the buildings are there today.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And guys, how would you like to carry that suitcaseÃ, Â (sitting on
> the
> >> >>> curb)
> >> >>> filled with glass plate holders when you go out to take pictures?Ã,
> Â
> >> >>> And
> >> >>> the tripod? And a 4x5 or 8x10 view camera and several lenses and
> >> >>> lensboards?Ã, Â A dozen years ago I bought a 4x5 view camera and
> then
> >> >>> built
> >> >>> a wooden case to hold it and all the trappings ââ,¬Â¦ weighs a
> ton.Ã,
> >> Â
> >> >>> I think
> >> >>> by the time I was done it had cost me close to $100 for every
> picture I
> >> >>> took before I gave up the experiment.Ã, Â My wife is using the case
> as
> >> a
> >> >>> table to hold a lamp in the back bedroom.Ã, Â And if I wanted to use
> >> it,
> >> >>> where the hell would I get fil-em today?Ã, Â Kodak quit making all
> the
> >> >>> good
> >> >>> stuff like TriX and SuperpanchroPress B and PlusX.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The second one is the Brookline loop.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The third would be Tunnel Yard during the Deiselheimer Era.Ã, Â For
> >> >>> those who
> >> >>> don't know that moniker, there were a number of Electric Railroaders
> >> >>> Association members who applied it to Harold G because he worked
> for a
> >> >>> bus
> >> >>> company.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The fourth looks up Diamond Alley from Liberty.Ã, Â You don't get
> it?Ã,
> >> >>> Â Well
> >> >>> they changed the name from Diamond Alley to Diamond St. to Forbes
> >> Avenue
> >> >>> but the city fathers never actually widened that street.Ã, Â The
> >> >>> building on
> >> >>> the right with the Corinthian Columns is the Wabash Terminal.
> Judging
> >> by
> >> >>> the automobiles and the presence of a 1700, its after the fire that
> >> >>> destroyed the trainshed and before the redevelopment in the Point.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And the last one was taken when route 56 was the only carline left
> in
> >> >>> McKeesport.Ã, Â McKeesport was one of the worst hurt of the suburban
> >> >>> towns
> >> >>> first because the United Steel Workers employes got wages high
> enough
> >> to
> >> >>> get out of that smog infested valley and move to the suburbs and
> drive
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> work in their new cars, and then because those higher wages were
> more
> >> >>> than
> >> >>> foreign steel workers were paying, steel simply collapsed.Ã, Â
> >> >>> McKeesport's
> >> >>> population peaked in1940at 55,355.Ã, Â In 1930, with a cluster of
> West
> >> >>> Penn
> >> >>> and Pittsburgh Railways carlines, it had almost 55,000 people.Ã, Â
> But
> >> >>> then
> >> >>> after the war people began to leave for the suburbs.Ã, Â The 2010
> >> census
> >> >>> showed only 17,731 left ââ,¬Â¦ it had dropped 18% since 2000.Ã, Â
> >> >>> Wikipedia has a
> >> >>> fairly decent description of the town and they actually included the
> >> >>> last
> >> >>> 160 years of population data in one of the most recent changes.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Ã, Â Ã, Â http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKeesport,_Pennsylvania
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> If anyone has anything to add concerning location, photographer,
> etc.,
> >> >>>> have
> >> >>>> at it. These I found during random searches of the Internet. I
> don't
> >> >>>> remember these being shown before on The List, however, they may
> have
> >> >>>> been.
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> Herb Brannon
> >> >>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoStreetcar5thAve.jpg
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC1607.jpg
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC%20Transitway.jpg
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCDiamondMkt.jpg
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCMcKeesport.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Derrick
>
>
>


-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park