[PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net

Wed Nov 14 17:03:06 EST 2012

Bob

No doubt deferred maintenance of OHL as the end neared.  But the one in the 
fot was much earlier and on straight track!!???

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net

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> While riding PCC s on the last night of the East End routes in January, 
> 1967, the trolley wheel came off the wireÂ while going around Â two tight 
> curves. I remember that after one of those de-wirements a pedestrian 
> re-wired the pole for the motorman. Â
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> Bob
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> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:17:17 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
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> Bob
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> That would have been double end cars then on Rt. 5.
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> The fot I commented on was a PCC!
>
> Dwight
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> From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:44 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
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>> A friend from Pittsburgh told meÃ, that i n the 1930's and early 40's Ã, 
>> he
>> and his young friends on Spring Hill often helped the motormen Ã, on
>> single-end cars on Route 5 .Ã, The hung around the end of track on Rhine
>> St., and when an outbound trolley stopped there, they would lower and
>> raise the trolley poles for the motormen.Ã, Their reward was free rides.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>>
>> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:36:40 AM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> Interesting selection. Ã, I took a few pix of the demolition of the WPT
>> building in 1954, but this selection is much more comprehensive. Ã, I
>> wonder what the folks that have congregated by the river are there
>> forÃ¢?"or discussing!
>>
>> In the PRC shots, did you note that someone, who does not appear to be a
>> PRC employee, is handling the trolley rope on the shot of 1507 in 
>> Oakland?
>> Ã, Wonder what that was about! And 1666 seems to have had a bit of a
>> mishapÃ¢?"perhaps that truck hit it?
>>
>> Thanks for forwarding.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> From: Phillip Clark Campbell
>> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, 2012 09:34
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>> I second your choice, Mr.Long!Ãf, Ã, Both of those buildings are classic
>> aren't they.Ãf, Ã, Here is a decent shot of the Wabash from one angle:
>> <http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=wabash;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;back=back1352902480;subview=detail;resnum=82;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpichswp;entryid=x-msp285.b003.f02.i01;viewid=ACCD0180.TIF>
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>> More of the Wabash are here but mostly demolition:
>> <http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=81;q1=wabash;back=back1352902470;size=20>
>>
>> It seems all these photos have made the rounds before doesn't it;
>> the university site is home to many.Ãf, Ã, Here are some of the
>> Diamond Market:
>> <http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;q1=Diamond;q2=Market;back=back1352902981;size=20;start=1>
>> Streetcars are latter day additions to much of Diamond aren't
>> they.Ãf, Ã, Tracks turned to and from Grant initially; I believe it was 
>> in
>> the 1920s when tracks were first extended across Grant, Smithfield,
>> and Wood to the Market.Ãf, Ã, Tracks are not in evidence in 1921 when
>> the Market was built are they.Ãf, Ã, Diamond looks rather pristine in
>> 1928 with tracks.
>>
>> Here are a couple more collections of trolleys and streetcars.Ãf, Ã, It
>> seems that many other photos are available but not labeled for
>> these categories nor for Pittsburgy Railways Company.Ãf, Ã, I am
>> always finding photos with streetcars that do not fit these
>> collections:
>> <http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=281;q1=trolley;back=back1352902275;size=20>
>>
>> <http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=61;q1=streetcar;back=back1352902198;size=20>
>>
>> <http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?sid=46017d0da922f44c8f50880157b2c73f;rgn1=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=181;q1=Pittsburgh%20Railways;back=back1352902064;size=20>
>>
>> A repeat of photos in the collections are common.
>>
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>>
>> Phil
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>>>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:59 PM
>>>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>>>
>>>
>>>Fred
>>>
>>>Yes, that is an interesting old fot but I think that the one which shows
>>>both the Diamond Market and the Wabash Terminal is the gem of the bunch 
>>>as
>>>it shows the two Pgh icons.Ãf, Ã, The time frame when this could be done 
>>>is
>>>very
>>>narrow--from 1949 through late 1953 or perhaps early 1954, as it was in
>>>the
>>>latter year that the Terminal was razed.Ãf, Ã, Might be able to zero in 
>>>on
>>>the
>>>year by looking closely at autos, but I did not take the time to do that.
>>>
>>>Dwight
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:13 PM
>>>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>>>
>>>
>>>> The real gem is the first one ÃfÂ¢Ã¢,Â¬Ã,Â¦ the picture of the rear of 
>>>> the
>>>> 4000
>>>> (Brill 1909) on one of the Highland Park lines probably around 1920.Ãf, 
>>>> Ã,
>>>> I
>>>> printed it but I still cannot read the street name behind the tree 
>>>> above
>>>> the man.Ãf, Ã, I drove my Google-Mobile over all the logical streets 
>>>> and I
>>>> cannot locate those buildings ÃfÂ¢Ã¢,Â¬Ã,Â¦ i.e. Highland, Negley, 
>>>> Centre,
>>>> lower
>>>> Fifth, lower Forbes.Ãf, Ã, I know the caption reads 5th Avenue but 
>>>> South
>>>> Highland ran via Forbes so my first instinct was to try all sorts of
>>>> combinations.Ãf, Ã, Nothing works today because too many buildings have
>>>> been
>>>> torn down.Ãf, Ã, I would relish having a 110 year old geezer tell me, 
>>>> "I
>>>> know
>>>> where it is ÃfÂ¢Ã¢,Â¬Ã,Â¦ I lived there."Ãf, Ã, Unfortunately a lot of 
>>>> the heart
>>>> of East
>>>> Liberty was been demolished by Urban Ruinall.Ãf, Ã, Lower Forbes was 
>>>> wiped
>>>> out
>>>> by the Crosstown Expressway and the Boulevard of the Allies.Ãf, Ã, Many 
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>> homes on very lower Herron Hill disappeared in the Civic Arena project.
>>>> Since then the next mile has had many of the old homes r!
>>>> eplaced by newer ones.Ãf, Ã, And farther out Centre more than half the
>>>> buildings simply disappeared ÃfÂ¢Ã¢,Â¬Ã,Â¦looks like Euclid Avenue in
>>>> Cleveland.Ãf, Ã, The
>>>> hill does feel right for lower Forbes or lower 5th, however; it's just
>>>> that the buildings are there today.
>>>>
>>>> And guys, how would you like to carry that suitcaseÃf, Ã, (sitting on 
>>>> the
>>>> curb)
>>>> filled with glass plate holders when you go out to take pictures?Ãf, Ã,
>>>> And
>>>> the tripod? And a 4x5 or 8x10 view camera and several lenses and
>>>> lensboards?Ãf, Ã, A dozen years ago I bought a 4x5 view camera and then
>>>> built
>>>> a wooden case to hold it and all the trappings ÃfÂ¢Ã¢,Â¬Ã,Â¦ weighs a 
>>>> ton.Ãf, Ã,
>>>> I think
>>>> by the time I was done it had cost me close to $100 for every picture I
>>>> took before I gave up the experiment.Ãf, Ã, My wife is using the case 
>>>> as a
>>>> table to hold a lamp in the back bedroom.Ãf, Ã, And if I wanted to use 
>>>> it,
>>>> where the hell would I get fil-em today?Ãf, Ã, Kodak quit making all 
>>>> the
>>>> good
>>>> stuff like TriX and SuperpanchroPress B and PlusX.
>>>>
>>>> The second one is the Brookline loop.
>>>>
>>>> The third would be Tunnel Yard during the Deiselheimer Era.Ãf, Ã, For
>>>> those who
>>>> don't know that moniker, there were a number of Electric Railroaders
>>>> Association members who applied it to Harold G because he worked for a
>>>> bus
>>>> company.
>>>>
>>>> The fourth looks up Diamond Alley from Liberty.Ãf, Ã, You don't get 
>>>> it?Ãf,
>>>> Ã, Well
>>>> they changed the name from Diamond Alley to Diamond St. to Forbes 
>>>> Avenue
>>>> but the city fathers never actually widened that street.Ãf, Ã, The
>>>> building on
>>>> the right with the Corinthian Columns is the Wabash Terminal. Judging 
>>>> by
>>>> the automobiles and the presence of a 1700, its after the fire that
>>>> destroyed the trainshed and before the redevelopment in the Point.
>>>>
>>>> And the last one was taken when route 56 was the only carline left in
>>>> McKeesport.Ãf, Ã, McKeesport was one of the worst hurt of the suburban
>>>> towns
>>>> first because the United Steel Workers employes got wages high enough 
>>>> to
>>>> get out of that smog infested valley and move to the suburbs and drive
>>>> to
>>>> work in their new cars, and then because those higher wages were more
>>>> than
>>>> foreign steel workers were paying, steel simply collapsed.Ãf, Ã,
>>>> McKeesport's
>>>> population peaked in1940at 55,355.Ãf, Ã, In 1930, with a cluster of 
>>>> West
>>>> Penn
>>>> and Pittsburgh Railways carlines, it had almost 55,000 people.Ãf, Ã, 
>>>> But
>>>> then
>>>> after the war people began to leave for the suburbs.Ãf, Ã, The 2010 
>>>> census
>>>> showed only 17,731 left ÃfÂ¢Ã¢,Â¬Ã,Â¦ it had dropped 18% since 2000.Ãf, 
>>>> Ã,
>>>> Wikipedia has a
>>>> fairly decent description of the town and they actually included the
>>>> last
>>>> 160 years of population data in one of the most recent changes.
>>>>
>>>>Ãf, Ã, Ãf, Ã, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKeesport,_Pennsylvania
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has anything to add concerning location, photographer, etc.,
>>>>> have
>>>>> at it. These I found during random searches of the Internet. I don't
>>>>> remember these being shown before on The List, however, they may have
>>>>> been.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Herb Brannon
>>>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>>>>
>>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoStreetcar5thAve.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC1607.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC%20Transitway.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCDiamondMkt.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCMcKeesport.jpg
>>>
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