[PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
Phillip Clark Campbell
pcc_sr at yahoo.com
Wed Nov 14 16:59:43 EST 2012
Hi, Mr.Long!
You found the picture. It appears as a college prank doesn't it.
The rumor mill says the catchers on the PCCs went above the
windows to prevent that very prank; the old conventional cars
often had trolleys pulled by youngsters. They would also use
it to hold while riding on the back of the car.
Phil
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> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:36 AM
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
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>Phil
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>Interesting selection. I took a few pix of the demolition of the WPT building in 1954, but this selection is much more comprehensive. I wonder what the folks that have congregated by the river are there for—or discussing!
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>In the PRC shots, did you note that someone, who does not appear to be a PRC employee, is handling the trolley rope on the shot of 1507 in Oakland? Wonder what that was about! And 1666 seems to have had a bit of a mishap—perhaps that truck hit it?
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>Thanks for forwarding.
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>Dwight
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>From: Phillip Clark Campbell
>Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, 2012 09:34
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>I second your choice, Mr.Long! Both of those buildings are classic
>aren't they. Here is a decent shot of the Wabash from one angle:
><http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=wabash;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;back=back1352902480;subview=detail;resnum=82;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpichswp;entryid=x-msp285.b003.f02.i01;viewid=ACCD0180.TIF>
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>More of the Wabash are here but mostly demolition:
><http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=81;q1=wabash;back=back1352902470;size=20>
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>It seems all these photos have made the rounds before doesn't it;
>the university site is home to many. Here are some of the
>Diamond Market:
><http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;q1=Diamond;q2=Market;back=back1352902981;size=20;start=1>
>Streetcars are latter day additions to much of Diamond aren't
>they. Tracks turned to and from Grant initially; I believe it was in
>the 1920s when tracks were first extended across Grant, Smithfield,
>and Wood to the Market. Tracks are not in evidence in 1921 when
>the Market was built are they. Diamond looks rather pristine in
>1928 with tracks.
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>Here are a couple more collections of trolleys and streetcars. It
>seems that many other photos are available but not labeled for
>these categories nor for Pittsburgy Railways Company. I am
>always finding photos with streetcars that do not fit these
>collections:
><http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=281;q1=trolley;back=back1352902275;size=20>
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><http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=61;q1=streetcar;back=back1352902198;size=20>
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><http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?sid=46017d0da922f44c8f50880157b2c73f;rgn1=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=181;q1=Pittsburgh%20Railways;back=back1352902064;size=20>
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>A repeat of photos in the collections are common.
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>Phil
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>> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:59 PM
>>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
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>>Fred
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>>Yes, that is an interesting old fot but I think that the one which shows
>>both the Diamond Market and the Wabash Terminal is the gem of the bunch as
>>it shows the two Pgh icons. The time frame when this could be done is very
>>narrow--from 1949 through late 1953 or perhaps early 1954, as it was in the
>>latter year that the Terminal was razed. Might be able to zero in on the
>>year by looking closely at autos, but I did not take the time to do that.
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>>Dwight
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>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:13 PM
>>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
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>>> The real gem is the first one … the picture of the rear of the 4000
>>> (Brill 1909) on one of the Highland Park lines probably around 1920. I
>>> printed it but I still cannot read the street name behind the tree above
>>> the man. I drove my Google-Mobile over all the logical streets and I
>>> cannot locate those buildings … i.e. Highland, Negley, Centre, lower
>>> Fifth, lower Forbes. I know the caption reads 5th Avenue but South
>>> Highland ran via Forbes so my first instinct was to try all sorts of
>>> combinations. Nothing works today because too many buildings have been
>>> torn down. I would relish having a 110 year old geezer tell me, "I know
>>> where it is … I lived there." Unfortunately a lot of the heart of East
>>> Liberty was been demolished by Urban Ruinall. Lower Forbes was wiped out
>>> by the Crosstown Expressway and the Boulevard of the Allies. Many of the
>>> homes on very lower Herron Hill disappeared in the Civic Arena project.
>>> Since then the next mile has had many of the old homes r!
>>> eplaced by newer ones. And farther out Centre more than half the
>>> buildings simply disappeared …looks like Euclid Avenue in Cleveland. The
>>> hill does feel right for lower Forbes or lower 5th, however; it's just
>>> that the buildings are there today.
>>>
>>> And guys, how would you like to carry that suitcase (sitting on the curb)
>>> filled with glass plate holders when you go out to take pictures? And
>>> the tripod? And a 4x5 or 8x10 view camera and several lenses and
>>> lensboards? A dozen years ago I bought a 4x5 view camera and then built
>>> a wooden case to hold it and all the trappings … weighs a ton. I think
>>> by the time I was done it had cost me close to $100 for every picture I
>>> took before I gave up the experiment. My wife is using the case as a
>>> table to hold a lamp in the back bedroom. And if I wanted to use it,
>>> where the hell would I get fil-em today? Kodak quit making all the good
>>> stuff like TriX and SuperpanchroPress B and PlusX.
>>>
>>> The second one is the Brookline loop.
>>>
>>> The third would be Tunnel Yard during the Deiselheimer Era. For those who
>>> don't know that moniker, there were a number of Electric Railroaders
>>> Association members who applied it to Harold G because he worked for a bus
>>> company.
>>>
>>> The fourth looks up Diamond Alley from Liberty. You don't get it? Well
>>> they changed the name from Diamond Alley to Diamond St. to Forbes Avenue
>>> but the city fathers never actually widened that street. The building on
>>> the right with the Corinthian Columns is the Wabash Terminal. Judging by
>>> the automobiles and the presence of a 1700, its after the fire that
>>> destroyed the trainshed and before the redevelopment in the Point.
>>>
>>> And the last one was taken when route 56 was the only carline left in
>>> McKeesport. McKeesport was one of the worst hurt of the suburban towns
>>> first because the United Steel Workers employes got wages high enough to
>>> get out of that smog infested valley and move to the suburbs and drive to
>>> work in their new cars, and then because those higher wages were more than
>>> foreign steel workers were paying, steel simply collapsed. McKeesport's
>>> population peaked in1940at 55,355. In 1930, with a cluster of West Penn
>>> and Pittsburgh Railways carlines, it had almost 55,000 people. But then
>>> after the war people began to leave for the suburbs. The 2010 census
>>> showed only 17,731 left … it had dropped 18% since 2000. Wikipedia has a
>>> fairly decent description of the town and they actually included the last
>>> 160 years of population data in one of the most recent changes.
>>>
>>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKeesport,_Pennsylvania
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>>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
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>>>> If anyone has anything to add concerning location, photographer, etc.,
>>>> have
>>>> at it. These I found during random searches of the Internet. I don't
>>>> remember these being shown before on The List, however, they may have
>>>> been.
>>>> --
>>>> Herb Brannon
>>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoStreetcar5thAve.jpg
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>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC1607.jpg
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>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC%20Transitway.jpg
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>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCDiamondMkt.jpg
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCMcKeesport.jpg
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