[PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net

Dwight Long dwightlong at verizon.net
Wed Nov 14 17:49:14 EST 2012 


But Fred

There IS an Ohio Street in McKees Rocks.  You needn't have moved it!

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net


> So why Herb,
>
> should you be immune from the gremlins of not being able to proofread what 
> we write ourselves?   None of us can but few will admit it.   It probably 
> isn't a case of not thinking but rather a case of the brain sees only what 
> it thought it committed to paper and not what it really put there.
>
> There is a gremlin in one of my PCC books where I moved a street in 
> Pittsburgh to the other side of river.   I knew better.  Hell, I the 
> street.   I knew it's name.   Afterward, I asked my co-author why he 
> didn't correct it and his response was, "You know Pittsburgh."   I said, 
> "Sure and you know Boston but I proofed what you wrote about Boston."   I 
> moved Ohio Street to McKees Rocks.   But you don't see those inane things 
> until you set the manuscript down for a year and then look at it again and 
> then you think, OMG, did I do that?  S**t.
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>
>> Fred,
>> Now I see what all the confusion is about. I am the one who mislabeled 
>> the
>> photo "5thAve". I knew it was Forbes all along but for some unknown 
>> reason
>> wrote 5th to label the photo in "My Pictures". Should have been labeled
>> Forbes all along. I was wondering why there was so much comment on the
>> location. No, it's not 5th, but Forbes. I wasn't thinking when I labeled 
>> it.
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> That would have been double end cars then on Rt. 5.
>>>
>>> The fot I commented on was a PCC!
>>>
>>> Dwight
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:44 PM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A friend from Pittsburgh told me that i n the 1930's and early 40's  
>>>> he
>>>> and his young friends on Spring Hill often helped the motormen  on
>>>> single-end cars on Route 5 . The hung around the end of track on Rhine
>>>> St., and when an outbound trolley stopped there, they would lower and
>>>> raise the trolley poles for the motormen. Their reward was free rides.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:36:40 AM
>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>> Interesting selection. Â I took a few pix of the demolition of the WPT
>>>> building in 1954, but this selection is much more comprehensive. Â I
>>>> wonder what the folks that have congregated by the river are there
>>>> forâ?"or discussing!
>>>>
>>>> In the PRC shots, did you note that someone, who does not appear to be 
>>>> a
>>>> PRC employee, is handling the trolley rope on the shot of 1507 in
>>> Oakland?
>>>> Â Wonder what that was about! And 1666 seems to have had a bit of a
>>>> mishapâ?"perhaps that truck hit it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for forwarding.
>>>>
>>>> Dwight
>>>>
>>>> From: Phillip Clark Campbell
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, 2012 09:34
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>>>> I second your choice, Mr.Long!Ã, Â Both of those buildings are classic
>>>> aren't they.Ã, Â Here is a decent shot of the Wabash from one angle:
>>>> <
>>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=wabash;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;back=back1352902480;subview=detail;resnum=82;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpichswp;entryid=x-msp285.b003.f02.i01;viewid=ACCD0180.TIF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More of the Wabash are here but mostly demolition:
>>>> <
>>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=81;q1=wabash;back=back1352902470;size=20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems all these photos have made the rounds before doesn't it;
>>>> the university site is home to many.Ã, Â Here are some of the
>>>> Diamond Market:
>>>> <
>>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;q1=Diamond;q2=Market;back=back1352902981;size=20;start=1
>>>>
>>>> Streetcars are latter day additions to much of Diamond aren't
>>>> they.Ã, Â Tracks turned to and from Grant initially; I believe it was 
>>>> in
>>>> the 1920s when tracks were first extended across Grant, Smithfield,
>>>> and Wood to the Market.Ã, Â Tracks are not in evidence in 1921 when
>>>> the Market was built are they.Ã, Â Diamond looks rather pristine in
>>>> 1928 with tracks.
>>>>
>>>> Here are a couple more collections of trolleys and streetcars.Ã, Â It
>>>> seems that many other photos are available but not labeled for
>>>> these categories nor for Pittsburgy Railways Company.Ã, Â I am
>>>> always finding photos with streetcars that do not fit these
>>>> collections:
>>>> <
>>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=281;q1=trolley;back=back1352902275;size=20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <
>>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=61;q1=streetcar;back=back1352902198;size=20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <
>>> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?sid=46017d0da922f44c8f50880157b2c73f;rgn1=ic_all;type=boolean;xc=1;g=imls;view=thumbnail;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicusc;start=181;q1=Pittsburgh%20Railways;back=back1352902064;size=20
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A repeat of photos in the collections are common.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that is an interesting old fot but I think that the one which 
>>>>> shows
>>>>> both the Diamond Market and the Wabash Terminal is the gem of the 
>>>>> bunch
>>> as
>>>>> it shows the two Pgh icons.Ã, Â The time frame when this could be done 
>>>>> is
>>>>> very
>>>>> narrow--from 1949 through late 1953 or perhaps early 1954, as it was 
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> latter year that the Terminal was razed.Ã, Â Might be able to zero in 
>>>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>> year by looking closely at autos, but I did not take the time to do 
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dwight
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Assorted Photos Off The 'Net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The real gem is the first one ââ,¬Âœ the picture of the rear of the
>>>>>> 4000
>>>>>> (Brill 1909) on one of the Highland Park lines probably around 
>>>>>> 1920.Ã,
>>> Â
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> printed it but I still cannot read the street name behind the tree
>>> above
>>>>>> the man.Ã, Â I drove my Google-Mobile over all the logical streets 
>>>>>> and
>>> I
>>>>>> cannot locate those buildings ââ,¬Âœ i.e. Highland, Negley, Centre,
>>>>>> lower
>>>>>> Fifth, lower Forbes.Ã, Â I know the caption reads 5th Avenue but 
>>>>>> South
>>>>>> Highland ran via Forbes so my first instinct was to try all sorts of
>>>>>> combinations.Ã, Â Nothing works today because too many buildings have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> torn down.Ã, Â I would relish having a 110 year old geezer tell me, 
>>>>>> "I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> where it is ââ,¬Âœ I lived there."Ã,  Unfortunately a lot of the
>>> heart
>>>>>> of East
>>>>>> Liberty was been demolished by Urban Ruinall.Ã, Â Lower Forbes was
>>> wiped
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> by the Crosstown Expressway and the Boulevard of the Allies.Ã, Â Many
>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> homes on very lower Herron Hill disappeared in the Civic Arena 
>>>>>> project.
>>>>>> Since then the next mile has had many of the old homes r!
>>>>>> eplaced by newer ones.Ã, Â And farther out Centre more than half the
>>>>>> buildings simply disappeared ââ,¬Âœlooks like Euclid Avenue in
>>>>>> Cleveland.Ã, Â The
>>>>>> hill does feel right for lower Forbes or lower 5th, however; it's 
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> that the buildings are there today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And guys, how would you like to carry that suitcaseÃ, Â (sitting on 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> curb)
>>>>>> filled with glass plate holders when you go out to take pictures?Ã, Â
>>>>>> And
>>>>>> the tripod? And a 4x5 or 8x10 view camera and several lenses and
>>>>>> lensboards?Ã, Â A dozen years ago I bought a 4x5 view camera and then
>>>>>> built
>>>>>> a wooden case to hold it and all the trappings ââ,¬Âœ weighs a 
>>>>>> ton.Ã,
>>> Â
>>>>>> I think
>>>>>> by the time I was done it had cost me close to $100 for every picture 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> took before I gave up the experiment.Ã, Â My wife is using the case 
>>>>>> as
>>> a
>>>>>> table to hold a lamp in the back bedroom.Ã, Â And if I wanted to use
>>> it,
>>>>>> where the hell would I get fil-em today?Ã, Â Kodak quit making all 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> stuff like TriX and SuperpanchroPress B and PlusX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second one is the Brookline loop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The third would be Tunnel Yard during the Deiselheimer Era.Ã, Â For
>>>>>> those who
>>>>>> don't know that moniker, there were a number of Electric Railroaders
>>>>>> Association members who applied it to Harold G because he worked for 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> bus
>>>>>> company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fourth looks up Diamond Alley from Liberty.Ã, Â You don't get 
>>>>>> it?Ã,
>>>>>> Â Well
>>>>>> they changed the name from Diamond Alley to Diamond St. to Forbes
>>> Avenue
>>>>>> but the city fathers never actually widened that street.Ã, Â The
>>>>>> building on
>>>>>> the right with the Corinthian Columns is the Wabash Terminal. Judging
>>> by
>>>>>> the automobiles and the presence of a 1700, its after the fire that
>>>>>> destroyed the trainshed and before the redevelopment in the Point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the last one was taken when route 56 was the only carline left in
>>>>>> McKeesport.Ã, Â McKeesport was one of the worst hurt of the suburban
>>>>>> towns
>>>>>> first because the United Steel Workers employes got wages high enough
>>> to
>>>>>> get out of that smog infested valley and move to the suburbs and 
>>>>>> drive
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> work in their new cars, and then because those higher wages were more
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> foreign steel workers were paying, steel simply collapsed.Ã, Â
>>>>>> McKeesport's
>>>>>> population peaked in1940at 55,355.Ã, Â In 1930, with a cluster of 
>>>>>> West
>>>>>> Penn
>>>>>> and Pittsburgh Railways carlines, it had almost 55,000 people.Ã, Â 
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> after the war people began to leave for the suburbs.Ã, Â The 2010
>>> census
>>>>>> showed only 17,731 left ââ,¬Âœ it had dropped 18% since 2000.Ã, Â
>>>>>> Wikipedia has a
>>>>>> fairly decent description of the town and they actually included the
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> 160 years of population data in one of the most recent changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ã, Â Ã, Â http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKeesport,_Pennsylvania
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone has anything to add concerning location, photographer, 
>>>>>>> etc.,
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> at it. These I found during random searches of the Internet. I don't
>>>>>>> remember these being shown before on The List, however, they may 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> been.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Herb Brannon
>>>>>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoStreetcar5thAve.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC1607.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCC%20Transitway.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCDiamondMkt.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PRCoPCCMcKeesport.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Herb Brannon
>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>
>>
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