[PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?

Dwight Long dwightlong at verizon.net
Wed Sep 26 15:33:39 EDT 2012 

Bob

Consider the age of the photo.  It dates for sure to the 50s or possibly 
even earlier.  Most likely the aberrations in the sky were created by the 
old chemical photo lab techniques of dodging and burning in.  This was done 
to bring out details in the sky which otherwise would have appeared as a 
uniform white.  I've done it countless times and I'm sure our esteemed 
darkroom master Fred Schneider has even more.  I do not believe either the 
old auto nor the 4399 were superimposed on the scene.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BobDietrich" <bob.dietrich1 at verizon.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?


> Not being an expert on photography or PRCo locations I contend this was
> "photoshopped".  I base this on the sky within the triangle of the roof,
> front pole, and rope.  Why doesn't it match the surrounding sky?  They
> blended well enough around the rear pole but forgot the front.  Or were 
> they
> messing with the sky around that triangle.
>
> It is on Second Avenue after the parkway was built and it is very likely a
> fan trip with the old car along for the ride.  Photoshopping may have been
> done to remove unwanted objects, like a clear blue sky!
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight
> Long
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:57 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Cc: scranton-pa at comcast.net
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>
>
> Herb
>
> I wrote my response to Phil well before seeing your comments.  For some
> reason it did not get onto the list so I resent it and it has now made the
> list.  You will note that George Gula also had the same issue with the 
> list.
>
> I agree with George--that is what I wrote but what did not get posted to 
> the
> list the first time I sent it.  There was no "parroting" involved, and in
> fact, I do not agree with your contention that the fot was photoshopped.
>
> Dwight
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:23 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>
>
>> Who is Scott Beveridge? Is he noted for trick photos? In my opinion, if 
>> he
>> or anyone else is posting items like this as true historical photos, in a
>> public forum such as the Internet,  they are doing a great disservice to
>> everyone in a misguided effort to make a name for themselves.
>> Also since both Fred and Dwight have parroted almost everything I wrote 
>> in
>> this thread, well after I wrote it,  I take it they agree with me !
>>
>> I would, however, say it is a madeup photo, not a fantrip.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I was able to get the photo larger yet and I do find the post-1920s
>>> aluminum railing does continue past the trolley. Other than that
>>> everything
>>> else I noted is as I noted it.
>>>
>>> Is that the Carlow University (formerly Carlow College) building up high
>>> in the distance above the "tipple" ? Looking real close I believe I see
>>> the
>>> Parkway East ramp to Forbes Avenue, albeit dimly, to the left of the
>>> sedan.
>>> Certainly that was not around in the 1920s.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, maximize the size of the photo and look way in the background at
>>>> what appears to be a  truck and automobile on the street. They both 
>>>> look
>
>>>> to
>>>> be out of the 1940s or 50s.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks like a "Photoshopped" pic to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the railing on the bridge the trolley is operating. That is 
>>>>> the
>>>>> type of railing used from the late 1940s to the present day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the streetlamp behind the trolley. It is definitely a
>>>>> Pittsburgh
>>>>> lamp of  a more modern era.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look around both trolley poles of the streetcar. Close inspection 
>>>>> shows
>>>>> the area where the original photo was blended in with what looks like
>>>>> Second Avenue track near downtown.
>>>>>
>>>>> What appears to be Brady St Bridge is in the background.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks fake to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:43 AM, John Swindler
>>>>> <j_swindler at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>    I don't see a motorman??????? Could this be a staged photo - like
>>>>>> maybe fantrip??????   Disregarding the destination signs, the first
>>>>>> impression was Second Ave. near Tenth St. bridge.  But I have no 
>>>>>> faith
>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> this first impression.  So back to Charleroi area. John
>>>>>>  > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 05:59:03 -0700
>>>>>> > From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
>>>>>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>>>>>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mr.Brashear,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > This looks like a case for Detective Lybarger doesn't it.  We know
>>>>>> > the only place the Charleroi line crossed the Monongahela is
>>>>>> > downtown
>>>>>> > Pittsburgh isn't it.  Thus the car is apparently heading south
>>>>>> > rather
>>>>>> > than north.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Is it near Monongahela City?  A bridge over a tributary is at Black
>>>>>> > Diamond Jct; double track leads to the Jct.  But this does not seem
>>>>>> > to fit.  It appears the car is on a bridge; the railing far side
>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>> > this.  It also seems rather new construction; paving is new as 
>>>>>> > well.
>>>>>> > The bridge across the Monongahela doesn't fit this location does 
>>>>>> > it.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It looks like a coal tipple or associated structure spans the
>>>>>> > highway
>>>>>> > in the distance; I can not determine what the trolley tracks do at
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> > distance.  I am looking for evidence of single track.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If the signs are correct this is a shuttle from Mongahela south and
>>>>>> > return not the Donora car.  I can not detect the motorman at the
>>>>>> > controller.  Did the car stop and pose for this picture?  Do
>>>>>> > schedules
>>>>>> > reveal a run or train "86"?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If the signs are correct this could be other places along the river
>>>>>> > from Mongahela south.  Does it fit any other location?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Phil
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >________________________________
>>>>>> > > From: Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > >To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>>>>> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:01 AM
>>>>>> > >Subject: [PRCo] wrong side of the river?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >Was route 906 on the west shore of the river ever? I assumed it 
>>>>>> > >was
>>>>>> > >always on the other side, only, and
>>>>>> > >thus the caption is incorrect?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/scott_beveridge/8014098467/
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >--
>>>>>> > >Derrick
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Herb Brannon
>>>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Herb Brannon
>>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Herb Brannon
>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Herb Brannon
>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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