[PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?

Herb Brannon hrbran at cavtel.net
Wed Sep 26 19:52:11 EDT 2012 

As long as I keep seeing rear-truck wheels which do not match up to the
running-rails in the street and as long as I keep seeing a "third" trolley
wire hangar in between the two outside trolley wires it is pretty obvious
that this is a made-up job.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Bob
>
> Consider the age of the photo.  It dates for sure to the 50s or possibly
> even earlier.  Most likely the aberrations in the sky were created by the
> old chemical photo lab techniques of dodging and burning in.  This was done
> to bring out details in the sky which otherwise would have appeared as a
> uniform white.  I've done it countless times and I'm sure our esteemed
> darkroom master Fred Schneider has even more.  I do not believe either the
> old auto nor the 4399 were superimposed on the scene.
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BobDietrich" <bob.dietrich1 at verizon.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:24 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>
>
> > Not being an expert on photography or PRCo locations I contend this was
> > "photoshopped".  I base this on the sky within the triangle of the roof,
> > front pole, and rope.  Why doesn't it match the surrounding sky?  They
> > blended well enough around the rear pole but forgot the front.  Or were
> > they
> > messing with the sky around that triangle.
> >
> > It is on Second Avenue after the parkway was built and it is very likely
> a
> > fan trip with the old car along for the ride.  Photoshopping may have
> been
> > done to remove unwanted objects, like a clear blue sky!
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> Dwight
> > Long
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:57 PM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Cc: scranton-pa at comcast.net
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
> >
> >
> > Herb
> >
> > I wrote my response to Phil well before seeing your comments.  For some
> > reason it did not get onto the list so I resent it and it has now made
> the
> > list.  You will note that George Gula also had the same issue with the
> > list.
> >
> > I agree with George--that is what I wrote but what did not get posted to
> > the
> > list the first time I sent it.  There was no "parroting" involved, and in
> > fact, I do not agree with your contention that the fot was photoshopped.
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:23 PM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
> >
> >
> >> Who is Scott Beveridge? Is he noted for trick photos? In my opinion, if
> >> he
> >> or anyone else is posting items like this as true historical photos, in
> a
> >> public forum such as the Internet,  they are doing a great disservice to
> >> everyone in a misguided effort to make a name for themselves.
> >> Also since both Fred and Dwight have parroted almost everything I wrote
> >> in
> >> this thread, well after I wrote it,  I take it they agree with me !
> >>
> >> I would, however, say it is a madeup photo, not a fantrip.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was able to get the photo larger yet and I do find the post-1920s
> >>> aluminum railing does continue past the trolley. Other than that
> >>> everything
> >>> else I noted is as I noted it.
> >>>
> >>> Is that the Carlow University (formerly Carlow College) building up
> high
> >>> in the distance above the "tipple" ? Looking real close I believe I see
> >>> the
> >>> Parkway East ramp to Forbes Avenue, albeit dimly, to the left of the
> >>> sedan.
> >>> Certainly that was not around in the 1920s.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Also, maximize the size of the photo and look way in the background at
> >>>> what appears to be a  truck and automobile on the street. They both
> >>>> look
> >
> >>>> to
> >>>> be out of the 1940s or 50s.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Looks like a "Photoshopped" pic to me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Look at the railing on the bridge the trolley is operating. That is
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> type of railing used from the late 1940s to the present day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Look at the streetlamp behind the trolley. It is definitely a
> >>>>> Pittsburgh
> >>>>> lamp of  a more modern era.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Look around both trolley poles of the streetcar. Close inspection
> >>>>> shows
> >>>>> the area where the original photo was blended in with what looks like
> >>>>> Second Avenue track near downtown.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What appears to be Brady St Bridge is in the background.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Looks fake to me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:43 AM, John Swindler
> >>>>> <j_swindler at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>    I don't see a motorman??????? Could this be a staged photo - like
> >>>>>> maybe fantrip??????   Disregarding the destination signs, the first
> >>>>>> impression was Second Ave. near Tenth St. bridge.  But I have no
> >>>>>> faith
> >
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> this first impression.  So back to Charleroi area. John
> >>>>>>  > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 05:59:03 -0700
> >>>>>> > From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
> >>>>>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
> >>>>>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Mr.Brashear,
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > This looks like a case for Detective Lybarger doesn't it.  We know
> >>>>>> > the only place the Charleroi line crossed the Monongahela is
> >>>>>> > downtown
> >>>>>> > Pittsburgh isn't it.  Thus the car is apparently heading south
> >>>>>> > rather
> >>>>>> > than north.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Is it near Monongahela City?  A bridge over a tributary is at
> Black
> >>>>>> > Diamond Jct; double track leads to the Jct.  But this does not
> seem
> >>>>>> > to fit.  It appears the car is on a bridge; the railing far side
> >>>>>> suggests
> >>>>>> > this.  It also seems rather new construction; paving is new as
> >>>>>> > well.
> >>>>>> > The bridge across the Monongahela doesn't fit this location does
> >>>>>> > it.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > It looks like a coal tipple or associated structure spans the
> >>>>>> > highway
> >>>>>> > in the distance; I can not determine what the trolley tracks do at
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> > distance.  I am looking for evidence of single track.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > If the signs are correct this is a shuttle from Mongahela south
> and
> >>>>>> > return not the Donora car.  I can not detect the motorman at the
> >>>>>> > controller.  Did the car stop and pose for this picture?  Do
> >>>>>> > schedules
> >>>>>> > reveal a run or train "86"?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > If the signs are correct this could be other places along the
> river
> >>>>>> > from Mongahela south.  Does it fit any other location?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Phil
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > >________________________________
> >>>>>> > > From: Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> > >To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >>>>>> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:01 AM
> >>>>>> > >Subject: [PRCo] wrong side of the river?
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >Was route 906 on the west shore of the river ever? I assumed it
> >>>>>> > >was
> >>>>>> > >always on the other side, only, and
> >>>>>> > >thus the caption is incorrect?
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/scott_beveridge/8014098467/
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >--
> >>>>>> > >Derrick
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Herb Brannon
> >>>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Herb Brannon
> >>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Herb Brannon
> >>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> >> --
> >> Herb Brannon
> >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park

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