[PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?

Herb Brannon hrbran at cavtel.net
Sun Sep 30 23:09:47 EDT 2012 

By that time PATransit realized that the more you give up to the government
the poorer you get.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>wrote:

>
> Herb
>
> Ah, yes,  I believe you have expounded upon that before.  I recall thinking
> it a bit strange for an outfit whose professed mission was to rid the city
> of Pittsburgh of its trams!
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:00 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
>
>
> > That track on Liberty/12th/Penn/11th was still operational. I did operate
> > a
> > PTM (PRMA?) fantrip around that loop one time. I believe Ed was on that
> > trip.
> > PATransit wanted to use the tracks on Ross and Forbes to show the city
> > government that the tracks had a use. The city wanted those tracks
> > removed.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Herb
> >>
> >> That's an interesting routing of the 49 in that era.
> >>
> >> Could they not have used the 12th and 11th Streets loop, or had that
> been
> >> abandoned by that time?  The additional mileage would have been very
> >> small
> >> and it would seem that this loop would have been a better place to lay
> >> over.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:09 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
> >>
> >>
> >> > FYI, the tracks which continued across Grant (on Fourth) to Ross, then
> >> > left
> >> > on Ross to left on Forbes and back to Grant were still active and for
> a
> >> > while in the mid/late 1970s was used by 49-Arlington-Warrington cars
> >> > during
> >> > the evening hours. The layover was on Forbes at Grant. This layover
> >> became
> >> > a hotbed of unrest between East End bus operators and those of us
> >> > taking
> >> > the recovery time on Forbes at Grant with a PCC car. One night I
> >> > informed
> >> > a
> >> > bus operator who was sitting behind the trolley honking the bus horn
> >> that,
> >> > "...the steering wheel was put in the bus for a reason, us it."
> >> > At Fourth and Grant cars could operate straight ahead on Fourth or
> take
> >> > the
> >> > switch to the right onto Grant Street. At Forbes and Grant both the
> >> > left
> >> > and right switches and tracks were active. The first switch was
> >> > electric
> >> > and would  operate for either "right" or "straight". The second switch
> >> was
> >> > plugged (welded) open for the left curve. The tracks going straight on
> >> > Forbes ended right after the switch set for left only.
> >> >
> >> > The 49 downtown routing during these hours was:
> >> > Inbound Smithfield St Bridge
> >> > Continue Smithfield
> >> > Right Fourth Av
> >> > Left Ross St
> >> > Left Forbes Av
> >> > Right Grant St
> >> > Left Liberty
> >> > Left Wood
> >> > Left Fort Pitt Blvd
> >> > Right Smithfield St Bridge
> >> > to regular route
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Ed
> >> >>
> >> >> That would make sense.  That curve (onto Grant) was also used by
> short
> >> >> turn 42/38 cars, so should have been quite operable even at that late
> >> >> date.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dwight
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Edward H. Lybarger
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, 30 September, 2012 18:22
> >> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
> >> >> If memory serves correctly, we just went up 4th from Wood to Grant
> and
> >> >> turned right.  Only the Smithfield Street Bridge was open for
> trolleys
> >> by
> >> >> 1971; 47 became the new 53 in 1968, I think.
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org [mailto:
> >> >> pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight
> >> >> Long
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:08 PM
> >> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ed
> >> >>
> >> >> 1647 is outbound on Fourth Avenue approaching Smithfield.  The famous
> >> and
> >> >> lamented-for-its-passing Kleinā?Ts Restaurant is on the left of the
> >> >> car.
> >> >>  Given your info, I would guess it is headed out Rt. 53ā?"or had that
> >> >> route
> >> >> already been banned from the Tenth Street Bridge by 1971 and route
> >> number
> >> >> 47 renumbered 53?  If the latter, where was the car going?
> >> >>
> >> >> Dwight
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Edward H. Lybarger
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, 30 September, 2012 11:00
> >> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
> >> >> The Butler Street photo is very likely a Pittsburgh City Photographer
> >> >> view, but the date and photo ID have been cropped away.  The other
> two
> >> of
> >> >> cars were fantrip views.  I was on 1647 that day...it was in 1971,
> >> >> when
> >> >> the
> >> >> Hilltop routes (44, 49 and 53) were converted.  Don't know about the
> >> view
> >> >> up the Blvd. of the Allies.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ed
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> >> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Herb
> >> >> Brannon
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 11:09 PM
> >> >> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
> >> >> Subject: [PRCo] Have We Seen These Yet?
> >> >>
> >> >> I have attached four photos I came across while just randomly surfing
> >> the
> >> >> net. There is not much information on any of them. Does anyone have
> >> >> any
> >> >> additional information? Especially dates, photographers and why is a
> >> >> 77/54
> >> >> trolley heading up Fourth Avenue?
> >> >> Also, Tiger (the Trolley Cat) says, "....get out and see the Fall
> >> >> leaves
> >> >> now. They won't be around very long this year.. Herb and I** went for
> >> >> a
> >> >> ride in the rural areas of Medina County today and the scenery was
> >> >> excellent."
> >> >>
> >> >> **Tiger does sit and look out the side window. He is in a harness and
> >> >> leash.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Herb Brannon
> >> >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/pittsburgh,%20BlvdAllies
> >> >> @Smithfield.jpg
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> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PittsburghArllingtonAv.j
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> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Pittsburgh%20FourthAv@Sm
> >> >> ithfield%20St.jpg<
> >>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Pittsburgh%20FourthAv@Smithfield%20St.jpg
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> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Tiger_the%20TrolleyCat.J
> >> >> PG<
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> >> >
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Herb Brannon
> >> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park

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