[PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?

[Dwight Long]

Herb

Ah, yes,  I believe you have expounded upon that before.  I recall thinking 
it a bit strange for an outfit whose professed mission was to rid the city 
of Pittsburgh of its trams!

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:00 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?


> That track on Liberty/12th/Penn/11th was still operational. I did operate 
> a
> PTM (PRMA?) fantrip around that loop one time. I believe Ed was on that
> trip.
> PATransit wanted to use the tracks on Ross and Forbes to show the city
> government that the tracks had a use. The city wanted those tracks 
> removed.
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Herb
>>
>> That's an interesting routing of the 49 in that era.
>>
>> Could they not have used the 12th and 11th Streets loop, or had that been
>> abandoned by that time?  The additional mileage would have been very 
>> small
>> and it would seem that this loop would have been a better place to lay
>> over.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:09 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
>>
>>
>> > FYI, the tracks which continued across Grant (on Fourth) to Ross, then
>> > left
>> > on Ross to left on Forbes and back to Grant were still active and for a
>> > while in the mid/late 1970s was used by 49-Arlington-Warrington cars
>> > during
>> > the evening hours. The layover was on Forbes at Grant. This layover
>> became
>> > a hotbed of unrest between East End bus operators and those of us 
>> > taking
>> > the recovery time on Forbes at Grant with a PCC car. One night I 
>> > informed
>> > a
>> > bus operator who was sitting behind the trolley honking the bus horn
>> that,
>> > "...the steering wheel was put in the bus for a reason, us it."
>> > At Fourth and Grant cars could operate straight ahead on Fourth or take
>> > the
>> > switch to the right onto Grant Street. At Forbes and Grant both the 
>> > left
>> > and right switches and tracks were active. The first switch was 
>> > electric
>> > and would  operate for either "right" or "straight". The second switch
>> was
>> > plugged (welded) open for the left curve. The tracks going straight on
>> > Forbes ended right after the switch set for left only.
>> >
>> > The 49 downtown routing during these hours was:
>> > Inbound Smithfield St Bridge
>> > Continue Smithfield
>> > Right Fourth Av
>> > Left Ross St
>> > Left Forbes Av
>> > Right Grant St
>> > Left Liberty
>> > Left Wood
>> > Left Fort Pitt Blvd
>> > Right Smithfield St Bridge
>> > to regular route
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ed
>> >>
>> >> That would make sense.  That curve (onto Grant) was also used by short
>> >> turn 42/38 cars, so should have been quite operable even at that late
>> >> date.
>> >>
>> >> Dwight
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Edward H. Lybarger
>> >> Sent: Sunday, 30 September, 2012 18:22
>> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
>> >> If memory serves correctly, we just went up 4th from Wood to Grant and
>> >> turned right.  Only the Smithfield Street Bridge was open for trolleys
>> by
>> >> 1971; 47 became the new 53 in 1968, I think.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org [mailto:
>> >> pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight 
>> >> Long
>> >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:08 PM
>> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
>> >>
>> >> Ed
>> >>
>> >> 1647 is outbound on Fourth Avenue approaching Smithfield.  The famous
>> and
>> >> lamented-for-its-passing Kleinā?Ts Restaurant is on the left of the 
>> >> car.
>> >>  Given your info, I would guess it is headed out Rt. 53ā?"or had that
>> >> route
>> >> already been banned from the Tenth Street Bridge by 1971 and route
>> number
>> >> 47 renumbered 53?  If the latter, where was the car going?
>> >>
>> >> Dwight
>> >>
>> >> From: Edward H. Lybarger
>> >> Sent: Sunday, 30 September, 2012 11:00
>> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
>> >> The Butler Street photo is very likely a Pittsburgh City Photographer
>> >> view, but the date and photo ID have been cropped away.  The other two
>> of
>> >> cars were fantrip views.  I was on 1647 that day...it was in 1971, 
>> >> when
>> >> the
>> >> Hilltop routes (44, 49 and 53) were converted.  Don't know about the
>> view
>> >> up the Blvd. of the Allies.
>> >>
>> >> Ed
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>> Herb
>> >> Brannon
>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 11:09 PM
>> >> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
>> >> Subject: [PRCo] Have We Seen These Yet?
>> >>
>> >> I have attached four photos I came across while just randomly surfing
>> the
>> >> net. There is not much information on any of them. Does anyone have 
>> >> any
>> >> additional information? Especially dates, photographers and why is a
>> >> 77/54
>> >> trolley heading up Fourth Avenue?
>> >> Also, Tiger (the Trolley Cat) says, "....get out and see the Fall 
>> >> leaves
>> >> now. They won't be around very long this year.. Herb and I** went for 
>> >> a
>> >> ride in the rural areas of Medina County today and the scenery was
>> >> excellent."
>> >>
>> >> **Tiger does sit and look out the side window. He is in a harness and
>> >> leash.
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>> >> --
>> >> Herb Brannon
>> >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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>> > --
>> > Herb Brannon
>> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> -- 
> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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