[PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?

[Herb Brannon]

That track on Liberty/12th/Penn/11th was still operational. I did operate a
PTM (PRMA?) fantrip around that loop one time. I believe Ed was on that
trip.
PATransit wanted to use the tracks on Ross and Forbes to show the city
government that the tracks had a use. The city wanted those tracks removed.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

>
> Herb
>
> That's an interesting routing of the 49 in that era.
>
> Could they not have used the 12th and 11th Streets loop, or had that been
> abandoned by that time?  The additional mileage would have been very small
> and it would seem that this loop would have been a better place to lay
> over.
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:09 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
>
>
> > FYI, the tracks which continued across Grant (on Fourth) to Ross, then
> > left
> > on Ross to left on Forbes and back to Grant were still active and for a
> > while in the mid/late 1970s was used by 49-Arlington-Warrington cars
> > during
> > the evening hours. The layover was on Forbes at Grant. This layover
> became
> > a hotbed of unrest between East End bus operators and those of us taking
> > the recovery time on Forbes at Grant with a PCC car. One night I informed
> > a
> > bus operator who was sitting behind the trolley honking the bus horn
> that,
> > "...the steering wheel was put in the bus for a reason, us it."
> > At Fourth and Grant cars could operate straight ahead on Fourth or take
> > the
> > switch to the right onto Grant Street. At Forbes and Grant both the left
> > and right switches and tracks were active. The first switch was electric
> > and would  operate for either "right" or "straight". The second switch
> was
> > plugged (welded) open for the left curve. The tracks going straight on
> > Forbes ended right after the switch set for left only.
> >
> > The 49 downtown routing during these hours was:
> > Inbound Smithfield St Bridge
> > Continue Smithfield
> > Right Fourth Av
> > Left Ross St
> > Left Forbes Av
> > Right Grant St
> > Left Liberty
> > Left Wood
> > Left Fort Pitt Blvd
> > Right Smithfield St Bridge
> > to regular route
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> That would make sense.  That curve (onto Grant) was also used by short
> >> turn 42/38 cars, so should have been quite operable even at that late
> >> date.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Edward H. Lybarger
> >> Sent: Sunday, 30 September, 2012 18:22
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
> >> If memory serves correctly, we just went up 4th from Wood to Grant and
> >> turned right.  Only the Smithfield Street Bridge was open for trolleys
> by
> >> 1971; 47 became the new 53 in 1968, I think.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org [mailto:
> >> pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight Long
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:08 PM
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> 1647 is outbound on Fourth Avenue approaching Smithfield.  The famous
> and
> >> lamented-for-its-passing Kleinā?Ts Restaurant is on the left of the car.
> >>  Given your info, I would guess it is headed out Rt. 53ā?"or had that
> >> route
> >> already been banned from the Tenth Street Bridge by 1971 and route
> number
> >> 47 renumbered 53?  If the latter, where was the car going?
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >> From: Edward H. Lybarger
> >> Sent: Sunday, 30 September, 2012 11:00
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
> >> The Butler Street photo is very likely a Pittsburgh City Photographer
> >> view, but the date and photo ID have been cropped away.  The other two
> of
> >> cars were fantrip views.  I was on 1647 that day...it was in 1971, when
> >> the
> >> Hilltop routes (44, 49 and 53) were converted.  Don't know about the
> view
> >> up the Blvd. of the Allies.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> Herb
> >> Brannon
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 11:09 PM
> >> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Have We Seen These Yet?
> >>
> >> I have attached four photos I came across while just randomly surfing
> the
> >> net. There is not much information on any of them. Does anyone have any
> >> additional information? Especially dates, photographers and why is a
> >> 77/54
> >> trolley heading up Fourth Avenue?
> >> Also, Tiger (the Trolley Cat) says, "....get out and see the Fall leaves
> >> now. They won't be around very long this year.. Herb and I** went for a
> >> ride in the rural areas of Medina County today and the scenery was
> >> excellent."
> >>
> >> **Tiger does sit and look out the side window. He is in a harness and
> >> leash.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Herb Brannon
> >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >>
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> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/pittsburgh,%20BlvdAllies
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> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Tiger_the%20TrolleyCat.J
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> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Tiger_the%20TrolleyCat.JPG
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> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >
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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park