[PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?

[Dwight Long]

Herb

That's an interesting routing of the 49 in that era.

Could they not have used the 12th and 11th Streets loop, or had that been 
abandoned by that time?  The additional mileage would have been very small 
and it would seem that this loop would have been a better place to lay over.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:09 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?


> FYI, the tracks which continued across Grant (on Fourth) to Ross, then 
> left
> on Ross to left on Forbes and back to Grant were still active and for a
> while in the mid/late 1970s was used by 49-Arlington-Warrington cars 
> during
> the evening hours. The layover was on Forbes at Grant. This layover became
> a hotbed of unrest between East End bus operators and those of us taking
> the recovery time on Forbes at Grant with a PCC car. One night I informed 
> a
> bus operator who was sitting behind the trolley honking the bus horn that,
> "...the steering wheel was put in the bus for a reason, us it."
> At Fourth and Grant cars could operate straight ahead on Fourth or take 
> the
> switch to the right onto Grant Street. At Forbes and Grant both the left
> and right switches and tracks were active. The first switch was electric
> and would  operate for either "right" or "straight". The second switch was
> plugged (welded) open for the left curve. The tracks going straight on
> Forbes ended right after the switch set for left only.
>
> The 49 downtown routing during these hours was:
> Inbound Smithfield St Bridge
> Continue Smithfield
> Right Fourth Av
> Left Ross St
> Left Forbes Av
> Right Grant St
> Left Liberty
> Left Wood
> Left Fort Pitt Blvd
> Right Smithfield St Bridge
> to regular route
>
>
>
>
> Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Ed
>>
>> That would make sense.  That curve (onto Grant) was also used by short
>> turn 42/38 cars, so should have been quite operable even at that late 
>> date.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>>
>> From: Edward H. Lybarger
>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September, 2012 18:22
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
>> If memory serves correctly, we just went up 4th from Wood to Grant and
>> turned right.  Only the Smithfield Street Bridge was open for trolleys by
>> 1971; 47 became the new 53 in 1968, I think.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org [mailto:
>> pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight Long
>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:08 PM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> 1647 is outbound on Fourth Avenue approaching Smithfield.  The famous and
>> lamented-for-its-passing Kleinâ?Ts Restaurant is on the left of the car.
>>  Given your info, I would guess it is headed out Rt. 53â?"or had that 
>> route
>> already been banned from the Tenth Street Bridge by 1971 and route number
>> 47 renumbered 53?  If the latter, where was the car going?
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> From: Edward H. Lybarger
>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September, 2012 11:00
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Have We Seen These Yet?
>> The Butler Street photo is very likely a Pittsburgh City Photographer
>> view, but the date and photo ID have been cropped away.  The other two of
>> cars were fantrip views.  I was on 1647 that day...it was in 1971, when 
>> the
>> Hilltop routes (44, 49 and 53) were converted.  Don't know about the view
>> up the Blvd. of the Allies.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Herb
>> Brannon
>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 11:09 PM
>> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
>> Subject: [PRCo] Have We Seen These Yet?
>>
>> I have attached four photos I came across while just randomly surfing the
>> net. There is not much information on any of them. Does anyone have any
>> additional information? Especially dates, photographers and why is a 
>> 77/54
>> trolley heading up Fourth Avenue?
>> Also, Tiger (the Trolley Cat) says, "....get out and see the Fall leaves
>> now. They won't be around very long this year.. Herb and I** went for a
>> ride in the rural areas of Medina County today and the scenery was
>> excellent."
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>> **Tiger does sit and look out the side window. He is in a harness and
>> leash.
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>> --
>> Herb Brannon
>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> -- 
> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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