[PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line

[Dwight Long]

Fred

On my very first enthusiast tour (West Penn in July 1952) my transportation 
to and from Latrobe was provided by Chuck England (RIP) who told me he was 
taking his "machine" to Latrobe and I was welcome to go along.  I had no 
idea what he was talking about!

So the idiom was not confined to Eastern Pa.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
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No way I can trump "not in Harmony" with "travel to Mars."   Yins are being 
very punny.

Me thinks there were too many old timers who wanted to stay back in 1915 but 
didn't understand that by 1931 almost all the rural families had a motor car 
(or as it was called in eastern Pennsylvania, a machine).   Of those 70,000 
people, I'll bet if you looked at the passenger revenues collected versus 
the one-way fare from Pittsburgh to Butler and the total passengers carried, 
you might find the same thing I did analyzing the Lancaster system and that 
is that most passengers were only riding a couple of miles.   In the case of 
the Harmony route, I'd almost be willing to bet that the cars were empty on 
most trips through the middle of the route and that most passengers rode 
only for a mile or two into Butler, or the last couple miles from Allison 
Park or Glenshaw into Etna.

I have no clue what kind of railroad commuter service the B&O had then … 
that's Bob Rathke's area … but I suspect even in the teens the people who 
wanted to go from Butler to Pittsburgh used the mainline trains because they 
were faster.


On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Dwight Long wrote:

>
> Ed
>
> Yes, it is quite true.  Their (PRC) views were not in Harmony with folks
> trying to save the interurbans.
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: "'Western PA Trolley discussion'"
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> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:42 PM
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>
>> PRCo didn't have any money, either.  I don't think they were interested 
>> in
>> travel to Mars.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:21 PM
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>> Subject: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line
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>> Pittsburgh Railways is asked to take over the line.
>>
>> Matt
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