[PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line

Tue Apr 30 07:51:55 EDT 2013

Hah, Fort Duquesne Bridge wasn't done so in the first picture the rightmost
exit was the "Point Exit"

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote:

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> Dwight,
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> Such rerouting was not uncommon in February -M ar ch in Pi ttsburgh.   On
> March 11, 19 64 during flooding of the P&LE station I photographed B&O
> Washington-Chicago trains relocated to the B&O station on Grant St..  See
> attached photos of the flooding along Ft. Pitt Blvd. and the Parkway
>  (looking west from the  Smithfield St. Bridge), an d set-out cars from B&O
> trains 7-8 (Sh enandoah) and 9-10 (Washington-Chicago Express) in the B&O
> station. that day.
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>
> Bob
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:06:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line
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> Bob
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> In early 1959 I rode a very late running Capital Ltd/Columbian out of Grant
> Street Station to Balto.  It had come in over the P&W account flooding on
> the P&LE.
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line
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> > I'm not sure if it was called, "commuter service", but in the T eens and
> T
> > wenties - and well into the 40's - the B&O had regional passenger service
> > f rom Pittsburgh to Butler and New Castle via Zelien ople . In the 20's t
> > he branch to But ler diverted from the B&O mainline south of Evans City
> > near Callery, and by the 40' s the line to Butler diverted from the
> > mainline at Eidenau which is just northwest of Evans City. Between
> > Pittsburgh and Callery/Eidenau the B&O served passengers at places like
> > Etna, Allison Park, Glenshaw, Gibsonia, Mars and Vanencia.
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> > Until the early 30's, the B&O's Washington D.C. to Chicago mainline
> > passenger t rains ran between Pittsburgh and New Castle via the Evans
> City
> > line. After that time, the B&O's Washington-Chicago passenger trains had
> > trackage rights over the P&LE between McKeesport and New Cas tle. And,
> for
> > a time in the late 1980's and early 90's some Pittsburgh-Chicago Amtrak
> > trains used the line through Evan City.
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> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> >
> > From: "Schneider, Fred" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> > <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:01:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line
> >
> >
> > No way I can trump "not in Harmony" with "travel to Mars." Yins are being
> > very punny.
> >
> > Me thinks there were too many old timers who wanted to stay back in 1915
> > but didn't understand that by 1931 almost all the rural families had a
> > motor car (or as it was called in eastern Pennsylvania, a machine). Of
> > those 70,000 people, I'll bet if you looked at the passenger revenues
> > collected versus the one-way fare from Pittsburgh to Butler and the total
> > passengers carried, you might find the same thing I did analyzing the
> > Lancaster system and that is that most passengers were only riding a
> > couple of miles. In the case of the Harmony route, I'd almost be willing
> > to bet that the cars were empty on most trips through the middle of the
> > route and that most passengers rode only for a mile or two into Butler,
> or
> > the last couple miles from Allison Park or Glenshaw into Etna.
> >
> > I have no clue what kind of railroad commuter service the B&O had then …
> > that's Bob Rathke's area … but I suspect even in the teens the people who
> > wanted to go from Butler to Pittsburgh used the mainline trains because
> > they were faster.
> >
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Yes, it is quite true. Their (PRC) views were not in Harmony with folks
> >> trying to save the interurbans.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> >> To: "'Western PA Trolley discussion'"
> >> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:42 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line
> >>
> >>
> >>> PRCo didn't have any money, either. I don't think they were interested
> >>> in
> >>> travel to Mars.
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> >>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> Barry, Matthew R
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:21 PM
> >>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>> (pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org)
> >>> Subject: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line
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> >>> Pittsburgh Railways is asked to take over the line.
> >>>
> >>> Matt
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