[PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line

Bob Rathke bobrathke at comcast.net
Tue Apr 30 00:31:18 EDT 2013 


Dwight, 



Such rerouting was not uncommon in February -M ar ch in Pi ttsburgh.   On March 11, 19 64 during flooding of the P&LE station I photographed B&O Washington-Chicago trains relocated to the B&O station on Grant St..  See attached photos of the flooding along Ft. Pitt Blvd. and the Parkway  (looking west from the  Smithfield St. Bridge), an d set-out cars from B&O trains 7-8 (Sh enandoah) and 9-10 (Washington-Chicago Express) in the B&O station. that day. 



Bob  



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From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:06:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line 


Bob 

In early 1959 I rode a very late running Capital Ltd/Columbian out of Grant 
Street Station to Balto.  It had come in over the P&W account flooding on 
the P&LE. 

Dwight 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net> 
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
<pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line 


> 
> 
> I'm not sure if it was called, "commuter service", but in the T eens and T 
> wenties - and well into the 40's - the B&O had regional passenger service 
> f rom Pittsburgh to Butler and New Castle via Zelien ople . In the 20's t 
> he branch to But ler diverted from the B&O mainline south of Evans City 
> near Callery, and by the 40' s the line to Butler diverted from the 
> mainline at Eidenau which is just northwest of Evans City. Between 
> Pittsburgh and Callery/Eidenau the B&O served passengers at places like 
> Etna, Allison Park, Glenshaw, Gibsonia, Mars and Vanencia. 
> 
> 
> 
> Until the early 30's, the B&O's Washington D.C. to Chicago mainline 
> passenger t rains ran between Pittsburgh and New Castle via the Evans City 
> line. After that time, the B&O's Washington-Chicago passenger trains had 
> trackage rights over the P&LE between McKeesport and New Cas tle. And, for 
> a time in the late 1980's and early 90's some Pittsburgh-Chicago Amtrak 
> trains used the line through Evan City. 
> 
> 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> 
> From: "Schneider, Fred" <fwschneider at comcast.net> 
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:01:18 PM 
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line 
> 
> 
> No way I can trump "not in Harmony" with "travel to Mars." Yins are being 
> very punny. 
> 
> Me thinks there were too many old timers who wanted to stay back in 1915 
> but didn't understand that by 1931 almost all the rural families had a 
> motor car (or as it was called in eastern Pennsylvania, a machine). Of 
> those 70,000 people, I'll bet if you looked at the passenger revenues 
> collected versus the one-way fare from Pittsburgh to Butler and the total 
> passengers carried, you might find the same thing I did analyzing the 
> Lancaster system and that is that most passengers were only riding a 
> couple of miles. In the case of the Harmony route, I'd almost be willing 
> to bet that the cars were empty on most trips through the middle of the 
> route and that most passengers rode only for a mile or two into Butler, or 
> the last couple miles from Allison Park or Glenshaw into Etna. 
> 
> I have no clue what kind of railroad commuter service the B&O had then … 
> that's Bob Rathke's area … but I suspect even in the teens the people who 
> wanted to go from Butler to Pittsburgh used the mainline trains because 
> they were faster. 
> 
> 
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Dwight Long wrote: 
> 
>> 
>> Ed 
>> 
>> Yes, it is quite true. Their (PRC) views were not in Harmony with folks 
>> trying to save the interurbans. 
>> 
>> Dwight 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net> 
>> To: "'Western PA Trolley discussion'" 
>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:42 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line 
>> 
>> 
>>> PRCo didn't have any money, either. I don't think they were interested 
>>> in 
>>> travel to Mars. 
>>> 
>>> Ed 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org 
>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Barry, Matthew R 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:21 PM 
>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
>>> (pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org) 
>>> Subject: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line 
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>>> Pittsburgh Railways is asked to take over the line. 
>>> 
>>> Matt 
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