[PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line

[Dwight Long]

Bob

In early 1959 I rode a very late running Capital Ltd/Columbian out of Grant 
Street Station to Balto.  It had come in over the P&W account flooding on 
the P&LE.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line


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> I'm not sure if it was called, "commuter service", but in the T eens and T 
> wenties - and well into the 40's - the B&O had regional passenger service 
> f rom Pittsburgh to Butler and New Castle via Zelien ople . In the 20's t 
> he branch to But ler diverted from the B&O mainline south of Evans City 
> near Callery, and by the 40' s the line to Butler diverted from the 
> mainline at Eidenau which is just northwest of Evans City. Between 
> Pittsburgh and Callery/Eidenau the B&O served passengers at places like 
> Etna, Allison Park, Glenshaw, Gibsonia, Mars and Vanencia.
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> Until the early 30's, the B&O's Washington D.C. to Chicago mainline 
> passenger t rains ran between Pittsburgh and New Castle via the Evans City 
> line. After that time, the B&O's Washington-Chicago passenger trains had 
> trackage rights over the P&LE between McKeesport and New Cas tle. And, for 
> a time in the late 1980's and early 90's some Pittsburgh-Chicago Amtrak 
> trains used the line through Evan City.
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>
> Bob
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Schneider, Fred" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:01:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line
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> No way I can trump "not in Harmony" with "travel to Mars." Yins are being 
> very punny.
>
> Me thinks there were too many old timers who wanted to stay back in 1915 
> but didn't understand that by 1931 almost all the rural families had a 
> motor car (or as it was called in eastern Pennsylvania, a machine). Of 
> those 70,000 people, I'll bet if you looked at the passenger revenues 
> collected versus the one-way fare from Pittsburgh to Butler and the total 
> passengers carried, you might find the same thing I did analyzing the 
> Lancaster system and that is that most passengers were only riding a 
> couple of miles. In the case of the Harmony route, I'd almost be willing 
> to bet that the cars were empty on most trips through the middle of the 
> route and that most passengers rode only for a mile or two into Butler, or 
> the last couple miles from Allison Park or Glenshaw into Etna.
>
> I have no clue what kind of railroad commuter service the B&O had then … 
> that's Bob Rathke's area … but I suspect even in the teens the people who 
> wanted to go from Butler to Pittsburgh used the mainline trains because 
> they were faster.
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
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>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Yes, it is quite true. Their (PRC) views were not in Harmony with folks
>> trying to save the interurbans.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'Western PA Trolley discussion'"
>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line
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>>> PRCo didn't have any money, either. I don't think they were interested 
>>> in
>>> travel to Mars.
>>>
>>> Ed
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>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Barry, Matthew R
>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:21 PM
>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>> (pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org)
>>> Subject: [PRCo] April 18, 1931 - Proposal to Save Butler Line
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>>> Pittsburgh Railways is asked to take over the line.
>>>
>>> Matt
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