[PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like Ed)

Mon Jan 28 11:28:49 EST 2013

Dennis,
I should be at PTM as many days as I feel like this coming season. I should
be moved to Pittsburgh by then. I look forward to you being my instructor
for PTM Operator Training  ;-)

Ed,
These days it's good to avoid "management involvement" at a lot of places.
All that's heard is "mo money, mo money, mo money, and mo money". The thing
to remember is that "greed" is one of the "seven deadly ones". The shining
example of this is the so-called "Lakeshore Electric Railway" (nee Columbia
Park operation). The "high dollar crowd" who were the overseers of that
operation got their "pocket change" to see them through the
recession/depression. Now, however, nothing remains of what could have been
something good. I hope they all had a good vacation with that money.

As long as the subject is PTM, since October, 2012 has PTM issued any
"Trolley Fare" magazines or any other mailings to members?

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <ehlybarger at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I have not been getting list mail for some time now, and finally asked
> Derrick to change my address to another email account that I keep for such
> occurrences.  So far, it's working!
>
> Herb, this is the first time I've seen this policy (I'm deliberately
> avoiding any management involvement, except for Archives, at PTM these
> days), but it's important to note that it applies mostly to commercial uses
> of the images.  The other is a fee-raising thing (we're getting pretty
> mercenary in this department) for those whose egos demand exclusive use of
> a
> car on which they can be photographed.  So as long as you're not selling
> the
> photos, there's no restriction on member photography.
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of DF
> Cramer
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:21 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like Ed)
>
>
> Just to clarify: the fee is for specific events. Come down this spring and
> take pictures to your hearts content. Our service during the Washington
> County Fair has become a traction fan holiday.
>
> Dennis F. Cramer
> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
>
> > From: hrbran at cavtel.net
> > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:15:54 -0500
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like
> > Ed)
> >
> > That's good to know. I was becoming concerned when I noticed
> "substantial"
> > increases in fees for all services at PTM then saw the $100 permit
> > required for taking photos.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:03 AM, DF Cramer
> <alto_trombone at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Herb,
> > > Read the entire policy------
> > > Photo Sessions at Pennsylvania Trolley Museum
> > >
> > > CHOOSE YOUR FAVORITE VINTAGE STREETCAR - Choose from any of our
> > > operational streetcars for stunning interior and exterior photo shots.
> > > Favorite trolley backdrops are the beautiful Streetcar Named Desire,
> > > our Rio de Janeiro Open Car, and the meticulously restored 1917
> > > Pittsburgh Car
> > > 4398 among many others. Your streetcar photo session will be hosted
> > > by a uniformed streetcar operator from the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum.
> > >
> > > Streetcar Photo Session - $100 per Hour Private use of a vintage
> > > streetcar with motorman for photo session
> > > Available: April through December by appointment
> > >
> > > PHOTOGRAPHY POLICY
> > > Pennsylvania Trolley Museum encourages photography and the use of
> > > video cameras for personal use. Sale, rental, or other commercial
> > > use (other than for editorial use) is prohibited without prior
> > > written authorization, including signing a single-use license
> agreement,
> and payment of fee.
> > > Commercial photography includes, but is not limited to wedding
> > > photography, professional portraits, modeling, media, and images for
> resale in any form.
> > > To schedule wedding and portrait photographs please contact Bill
> > > Belleno, Visitor Services Manager, call: 724-228-9256 or email:
> vsm at pa-trolley.orgReservations are required one week in advance.
> > >
> > > Note that commercial productions intended for broadcast will be
> > > handled on a case by case basis.
> > >
> > > Dennis F. Cramer
> > > http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
> > >
> > > > From: hrbran at cavtel.net
> > > > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:25:30 -0500
> > > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > > > Subject: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like
> > > > Ed)
> > > >
> > > > I was just looking over the PTM website and came across a section
> > > > on that website which defies all comprehension. The sub-section is
> > > > titled "Photography Policy" and indicates that in order to take
> > > > photos PTM visitors must pay a fee of $100.00 per hour. You mean
> > > > to tell me that visitors to PTM are not permitted to take photos
> > > > unless they pay PTM
> > > > $100.00 per hour ?? I'm betting on someone "litigating" that rule.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Herb Brannon
> > > > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> > > >
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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park

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