[PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like Ed)

Mon Jan 28 11:59:38 EST 2013

my trolley fare arrived like 6-8 days ago.

Derrick

On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:52, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:

> Dennis,
> I should be at PTM as many days as I feel like this coming season. I should
> be moved to Pittsburgh by then. I look forward to you being my instructor
> for PTM Operator Training  ;-)
> 
> Ed,
> These days it's good to avoid "management involvement" at a lot of places.
> All that's heard is "mo money, mo money, mo money, and mo money". The thing
> to remember is that "greed" is one of the "seven deadly ones". The shining
> example of this is the so-called "Lakeshore Electric Railway" (nee Columbia
> Park operation). The "high dollar crowd" who were the overseers of that
> operation got their "pocket change" to see them through the
> recession/depression. Now, however, nothing remains of what could have been
> something good. I hope they all had a good vacation with that money.
> 
> As long as the subject is PTM, since October, 2012 has PTM issued any
> "Trolley Fare" magazines or any other mailings to members?
> 
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <ehlybarger at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
>> I have not been getting list mail for some time now, and finally asked
>> Derrick to change my address to another email account that I keep for such
>> occurrences.  So far, it's working!
>> 
>> Herb, this is the first time I've seen this policy (I'm deliberately
>> avoiding any management involvement, except for Archives, at PTM these
>> days), but it's important to note that it applies mostly to commercial uses
>> of the images.  The other is a fee-raising thing (we're getting pretty
>> mercenary in this department) for those whose egos demand exclusive use of
>> a
>> car on which they can be photographed.  So as long as you're not selling
>> the
>> photos, there's no restriction on member photography.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of DF
>> Cramer
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:21 AM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like Ed)
>> 
>> 
>> Just to clarify: the fee is for specific events. Come down this spring and
>> take pictures to your hearts content. Our service during the Washington
>> County Fair has become a traction fan holiday.
>> 
>> Dennis F. Cramer
>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
>> 
>>> From: hrbran at cavtel.net
>>> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:15:54 -0500
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like
>>> Ed)
>>> 
>>> That's good to know. I was becoming concerned when I noticed
>> "substantial"
>>> increases in fees for all services at PTM then saw the $100 permit
>>> required for taking photos.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:03 AM, DF Cramer
>> <alto_trombone at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Herb,
>>>> Read the entire policy------
>>>> Photo Sessions at Pennsylvania Trolley Museum
>>>> 
>>>> CHOOSE YOUR FAVORITE VINTAGE STREETCAR - Choose from any of our
>>>> operational streetcars for stunning interior and exterior photo shots.
>>>> Favorite trolley backdrops are the beautiful Streetcar Named Desire,
>>>> our Rio de Janeiro Open Car, and the meticulously restored 1917
>>>> Pittsburgh Car
>>>> 4398 among many others. Your streetcar photo session will be hosted
>>>> by a uniformed streetcar operator from the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum.
>>>> 
>>>> Streetcar Photo Session - $100 per Hour Private use of a vintage
>>>> streetcar with motorman for photo session
>>>> Available: April through December by appointment
>>>> 
>>>> PHOTOGRAPHY POLICY
>>>> Pennsylvania Trolley Museum encourages photography and the use of
>>>> video cameras for personal use. Sale, rental, or other commercial
>>>> use (other than for editorial use) is prohibited without prior
>>>> written authorization, including signing a single-use license
>> agreement,
>> and payment of fee.
>>>> Commercial photography includes, but is not limited to wedding
>>>> photography, professional portraits, modeling, media, and images for
>> resale in any form.
>>>> To schedule wedding and portrait photographs please contact Bill
>>>> Belleno, Visitor Services Manager, call: 724-228-9256 or email:
>> vsm at pa-trolley.orgReservations are required one week in advance.
>>>> 
>>>> Note that commercial productions intended for broadcast will be
>>>> handled on a case by case basis.
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
>>>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
>>>> 
>>>>> From: hrbran at cavtel.net
>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:25:30 -0500
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like
>>>>> Ed)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was just looking over the PTM website and came across a section
>>>>> on that website which defies all comprehension. The sub-section is
>>>>> titled "Photography Policy" and indicates that in order to take
>>>>> photos PTM visitors must pay a fee of $100.00 per hour. You mean
>>>>> to tell me that visitors to PTM are not permitted to take photos
>>>>> unless they pay PTM
>>>>> $100.00 per hour ?? I'm betting on someone "litigating" that rule.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Herb Brannon
>>>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>>>> 
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