[PRCo] PRCo Route 59
Ray
rayprco53 at verizon.net
Tue Jul 9 17:01:08 EDT 2013
Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was how did it get to Braddock?
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Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>Ray
>
>Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and prior
>at Kennywood Park).
>
>Dwight
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>From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at pa.gov>
>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
><pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
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>> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone provide
>> the route of 55A?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.
>>
>> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not have a
>> low floor type car with
>> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor type
>> car with this destination?
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>> John Swindler
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM
>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>
>>
>>
>> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55
>> converted to bus by PAT??? Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or might
>> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of
>> Greenfield Ave.
>>
>> Going to guess summer of 1964. PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but story
>> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse than
>> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.
>>
>> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to Munhall
>> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then
>> returned to S. Hills. Jct. There were a bunch of PRMA members on that
>> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no
>> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.
>>
>>
>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a rail
>>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh over
>>> the former route 55 trackage. Not sure when this occurred (when the
>>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR, until the
>>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place. I took pictures of the
>>> operation in early 1965.
>>>
>>> Dwight
>>>
>>> From: Fred Schneider
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35
>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following (if
>>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to
>>> proofread my work. There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937 where
>>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the dates are
>>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated. Usually a
>>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed. fws
>>>
>>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road through
>>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays Street.
>>>
>>> 1917: From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street, 8th
>>> Avenue to Hays Street.
>>>
>>> July 17 to July 19, 1919; August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18 to
>>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above
>>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,
>>>
>>> August 10, 1925: Length of line: round trip 5.23 miles.
>>>
>>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927: Shuttle service from Terrace Step stop to
>>> end of line, Homeville.
>>>
>>> Feb. 14, 1928: Route 506 combined with route 507 (Homestead-Mifflin).
>>> One man operation began. See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.
>>>
>>> July 9, 1944: Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West Streets.
>>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place loop.
>>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.
>>>
>>> March 7, 1953: Last full day of route 59.
>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902. Have not found route
>>> card.
>>>
>>> April 1, 1928: On this date, route 507 started under supervision of
>>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly used
>>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.
>>>
>>> August 24, 1928: Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and Main
>>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.
>>>
>>> November 21, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West Streets,
>>> Homestead.
>>>
>>> November 23, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts.,
>>> Homestead.
>>>
>>> December 14, 1928: Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man
>>> operation began.
>>>
>>> January 1, 1930: Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd
>>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St., Greenspring
>>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.
>>>
>>> March 15, 1937: Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St. to
>>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine St.,
>>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.
>>>
>>> July 9, 1944: Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and designated
>>> route 59. Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65.
>>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC service
>>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from
>>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.
>>>
>>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide: Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th Avenue
>>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St.,
>>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop. Unchanged
>>> from July 9, 1944.
>>>
>>> Sept. 5, 1965: Last full day of service route 65.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and noticed that
>>> > route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at the intersection
>>> > of Greensprings Ave., Coal Rd and Black Path (road names based on
>>> > Google Maps).
>>> >
>>> > One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called Terrace
>>> > and ends at what I believe is High Street and Bowes Ave. The other
>>> > line on PRW seems to follow Duquesne Ave then Homestead Duquesne Rd to
>>> > Coal Rd. to terminate at Coal Rd. Extension and Bellwood Rd.
>>> >
>>> > I have attached that section of the map. My first question is, is
>>> > this correct? If so, how did these lines operate and what destinations
>>> > signs were used? When did PRCo stop using the line to Bellwood Rd.?
>>> > Maybe I have this wrong and it could be a coal mine RR?
>>> >
>>> > If this was discussed before I apologize.
>>> >
>>> > Oh, map web site in case some of you do not have it.
>>> > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/topomaps/f?p=262:1:4149522851964442
>>> >
>>> > Thanks.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Raymond E. Lattner
>>> >
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