[PRCo] PRCo Route 59

Tue Jul 9 17:53:07 EDT 2013

55A didn't go to Braddock.  It was a route 55 short-turn:  Second Ave. - Glenwood Bridge - Homestead to Munhall Loop.  

As for low-floor cars - before my time. (:<)

> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:01:08 -0400
> From: rayprco53 at verizon.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> 
> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was how did it get to Braddock?  
> 
> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
> 
> Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >Ray
> >
> >Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and prior 
> >at Kennywood Park).
> >
> >Dwight
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at pa.gov>
> >To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
> ><pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM
> >Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >
> >
> >> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone provide 
> >> the route of 55A?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.
> >>
> >> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not have a 
> >> low floor type car with
> >> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor type 
> >> car with this destination?
> >>
> >> Thanks again.
> >>
> >> Ray
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org 
> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> >> John Swindler
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM
> >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55 
> >> converted to bus by PAT???  Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or might 
> >> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of 
> >> Greenfield Ave.
> >>
> >> Going to guess summer of 1964.  PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but story 
> >> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse than 
> >> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.
> >>
> >> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to Munhall 
> >> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then 
> >> returned to S. Hills. Jct.  There were a bunch of PRMA members on that 
> >> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no 
> >> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400
> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>>
> >>> Fred
> >>>
> >>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a rail 
> >>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh over 
> >>> the former route 55 trackage.  Not sure when this occurred (when the 
> >>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR, until the 
> >>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place.  I took pictures of the 
> >>> operation in early 1965.
> >>>
> >>> Dwight
> >>>
> >>> From: Fred Schneider
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35
> >>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following (if 
> >>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to 
> >>> proofread my work.   There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937 where 
> >>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the dates are 
> >>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated.   Usually a 
> >>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed.  fws
> >>>
> >>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road through 
> >>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays Street.
> >>>
> >>> 1917:  From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street, 8th 
> >>> Avenue to Hays Street.
> >>>
> >>> July 17 to July 19, 1919;  August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18 to
> >>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above
> >>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,
> >>>
> >>> August 10, 1925:  Length of line:  round trip 5.23 miles.
> >>>
> >>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927:  Shuttle service from Terrace Step stop to 
> >>> end of line, Homeville.
> >>>
> >>> Feb. 14, 1928:  Route 506 combined with route 507 (Homestead-Mifflin). 
> >>> One man operation began.   See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.
> >>>
> >>> July 9, 1944:  Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West Streets. 
> >>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place loop. 
> >>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.
> >>>
> >>> March 7, 1953:  Last full day of route 59.
> >>> ______________________________________________________________________
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902.  Have not found route 
> >>> card.
> >>>
> >>> April 1, 1928:   On this date, route 507 started under supervision of 
> >>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly used 
> >>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.
> >>>
> >>> August 24, 1928:  Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and Main 
> >>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.
> >>>
> >>> November 21, 1928:   Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West Streets, 
> >>> Homestead.
> >>>
> >>> November 23, 1928:  Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts., 
> >>> Homestead.
> >>>
> >>> December 14, 1928:  Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man 
> >>> operation began.
> >>>
> >>> January 1, 1930:  Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd 
> >>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St., Greenspring 
> >>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.
> >>>
> >>> March 15, 1937:  Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St. to 
> >>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine St., 
> >>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.
> >>>
> >>> July 9, 1944:   Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and designated 
> >>> route 59.   Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65. 
> >>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC service 
> >>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from 
> >>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.
> >>>
> >>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide:  Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th Avenue 
> >>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St., 
> >>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop.   Unchanged 
> >>> from July 9, 1944.
> >>>
> >>> Sept. 5, 1965:  Last full day of service route 65.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and noticed that
> >>> > route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at  the intersection 
> >>> > of Greensprings  Ave., Coal  Rd and Black Path (road names based on 
> >>> > Google Maps).
> >>> >
> >>> > One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called Terrace
> >>> > and ends at what  I believe is High Street and Bowes Ave. The other 
> >>> > line on PRW seems to follow  Duquesne Ave then Homestead Duquesne Rd to 
> >>> > Coal Rd. to terminate at Coal  Rd. Extension and Bellwood Rd.
> >>> >
> >>> > I have attached that section of the map. My first question is, is
> >>> > this correct?  If so, how did these lines operate and what destinations 
> >>> > signs were used?  When did PRCo stop using the line to Bellwood Rd.? 
> >>> > Maybe I have this wrong and it could be a coal mine RR?
> >>> >
> >>> > If this was discussed before I apologize.
> >>> >
> >>> > Oh, map web site in case some of you do not have it.
> >>> > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/topomaps/f?p=262:1:4149522851964442
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Raymond E. Lattner
> >>> >
> >>> >
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