[PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum

[Boris Cefer]

I am under an impression that the trucks which are under 1440 came from D. 
C. This impression may be wrong but Boston or D. C. is correct answer.
I am told that 1440 is theoretically operable. Perhaps it is mut its 
condition is not very good.

Boris

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From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:41 PM
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
<pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum

>
> John
>
> But nothing has yet been said about when Seashore regauged or retrucked 
> the car. It is not necessarily true that because the acquired the car in 
> the 60s that they did the conversion right away.  AIR it took Branford a 
> decade or more to retruck their PSTC car.  I don’t know the answer to 
> that.  But is it not true that by the 1970s the first replacement of CTA 
> PCC rapid cars was in progress?  I seem to recall that Leonard Brothers 
> bought several sets from them as spares for their subway operation—it 
> could have been in the 80s though.  But so could Seashore’s conversion. 
> Unless we ask someone from there when it was done, and how, we are just 
> speculating.
>
> But that is something we are good at!
>
> Dwight
>
> From: John Swindler
> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 13:30
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>
>
> Except CTA was not scrapping PCC rapid transit cars in 1960s, and Boston 
> (figuratively) was just around the corner.
>
> This is somewhat of a sequel to previous thread about B&O overnight 
> trains.  If CTA gives a system pass to a railfan employee, he'll spend his 
> time-off riding and photographing 4000s on the northside 'el'.
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:07:54 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> But who’s to say they did not buy a set or sets of trucks in advance? 
>> Also, could not Chicago PCC rapid car trucks be used—of course air brakes 
>> would have to be fitted.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>>
>> From: Fred Schneider
>> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 11:57
>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>> You would have had to cut the extension rings off the axle housings. 
>> Put bearings in the end of the shorter axle housings if they had a place 
>> to put them.   Install shorter axles.   Then, since this is an air car, 
>> you would need to fabricate new, shorter brake beams.   It would be a lot 
>> easier than a outside framed truck ….
>>
>> BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO FIND A PAIR OF TRUCKS OF THE 
>> RIGHT GAUGE IN THE SCRAP HEAP SOMEWHERE ELSE.    That car would have come 
>> to Seashore in the mid to late 1960s.   The Montreal cars were gone in 
>> 1959.   Washington's cars were gone by 1962.   But Boston may have had 
>> standard gauge air cards then and one of the Seashore members worked for 
>> MTA / MBTA in the shops.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
>>
>> > I thought the book, PCC the Car That Fought Back, indicated it was 
>> > relatively easy to change the gauge of the trucks?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org 
>> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>> > John Swindler
>> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:38 AM
>> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We tend to use the term 're-gauge', which implies modifying the 
>> > original trucks.  But suspect it would be a lot cheaper to swap for 
>> > trucks that are already standard gauge.  In the end, same difference - 
>> > 1440 is operable on Seashore track, only quicker and cheaper.
>> >
>> > PTM has the opposite problem - finding broad gauge trucks to fit under 
>> > standard gauge equipment without going to expense of re-gauging.  I 
>> > suspect the Boston dump car is an example.  However, the open car did 
>> > not lend itself to an easy expedient.
>> >
>> > Never paid much attention to re-gauging issues until the Trolley Fare 
>> > accounts on work that had to be done for several recent PTM 
>> > acquisitions.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>> >> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:20:42 -0400
>> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps so they could operate it on their standard gauge track?  What 
>> >> am I missing in this question?
>> >>
>> >> Dwight
>> >>
>> >> From: John Swindler
>> >> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 21:51
>> >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> huh, Fred???
>> >>
>> >> Alan Pegler never had a Royal Scot.  Those were 
>> >> London-Midland-Scottish 4-6-0 types used on the West Coast main line. 
>> >> The first one - #6100 Royal Scot  has been preserved.
>> >>
>> >> The "Flying Scotsman" is an  A-3 class London and Northeastern 
>> >> 'pacific' type loco used on the East Coast main line.
>> >>
>> >> The only similarity is that both made trips to US, but neither you nor 
>> >> I ever saw the Royal Scot in this country - it's US visit was during 
>> >> 1930s.
>> >>
>> >> As for PRC 1440, finding this link falls into the category of just 
>> >> dumb luck.  Any reason Seashore would re-gauge the PRC trucks rather 
>> >> than use an extra set of Boston PCC trucks????
>> >>
>> >> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA