[PRCo] Greensburg and North Vandergrift questions

[Edward H. Lybarger]

That's the one from the abandonment petition.

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Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 5:54 PM
To: Stephen Titchenal; Western PA Trolley discussion
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Greensburg and North Vandergrift questions

There's westmoreland county railways maps at trolley.dementix.org that I got
from Ed like 10 years ago

Daria

> On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Stephen Titchenal via Pittsburgh-railways
<pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm starting to update my route maps for the Pittsburgh Area 
> Interurban Lines, in advance of visiting the PTM Archive next year.
> 
> 
> 
> Questions related to Interurban routes:
> 
> Greensburg: 
> 
> 1.       The maps in the CERA West Penn Traction book and the PTM West
Penn
> Railways booklet are different.  CERA shows a turn on the Otterman 
> line at Hamilton extending to Ludwick, but the PTM map shows it ending 
> at Hamilton and Otterman.
> 
> 2.       The CERA map shows the line on Alexander extending to Weaver
before
> turning onto Green. The PTM map shows the line on Alexander extending 
> only to Stanton (misspelled Station?) before turning onto Green.
> 
> 
> 
> There is a 1949 and 1950 Greensburg Map at Penn State Map Library. 
> Anybody checked that or another contemporary map to confirm the correct
locations?
> Or have access to another map of Greensburg from before the abandonment?
> 
> 
> 
> North Vandergrift:
> 
>                The map in Dennis Cramer's Trolleys of Armstrong County 
> seems to show the line closer to the river than my tracing from the 
> 1938 aerials and digital elevation data. It sure looks like it would 
> have been on a private right-of-way west of Lincoln Ave until it 
> joined Lincoln Ave (rt
> 66) around 3rd St and then continued along Lincoln until going back on 
> private right-of-way east of town but Dennis and Ed must have a reason 
> for showing the route which I assume follows the alley between Lincoln 
> and Jefferson?
> 
> 
> 
> Latrobe:
> 
>                The discussion last year on the list and the map Bob 
> Netzlof drew clears up questions I had, but also shows the Westmorland 
> County Street Railway that I cannot find any route documentation for.
> 
> 
> 
> FYI
> 
> Penn State Library Digital Collection includes a
> 
> 1920 Lewis' Pittsburgh Street & Trolley Guide
> 
> http://collection1.libraries.psu.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/dig
> italbk
> s2/id/15293/rec/3
> 
> 
> 
> I have attached a spreadsheet with the Suburban lines transcribed. 
> Lewis gives the Routes a letter/number designation. I am assuming 
> these were assigned by Lewis rather than as an official designation of 
> the Routes. For some reason there is no Route B or H. Were these in 
> earlier Lewis guides and abandoned before 1920?
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Titchenal
> 
> Stephen at Titchenal.com
> 
> railsandtrails.com
> 
> 
> 
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