[PRCo] Greensburg and North Vandergrift questions

[Edward H. Lybarger]

Forgot about them...that's my map!

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Subject: Re: [PRCo] Greensburg and North Vandergrift questions

that's the one. some tracings, tho, too

http://trolley.dementix.org/wcry/

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
wrote:
>
> That's the one from the abandonment petition.
>
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> D Brashear via Pittsburgh-railways
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 5:54 PM
> To: Stephen Titchenal; Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Greensburg and North Vandergrift questions
>
> There's westmoreland county railways maps at trolley.dementix.org that 
> I got from Ed like 10 years ago
>
> Daria
>
> > On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Stephen Titchenal via 
> > Pittsburgh-railways
> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm starting to update my route maps for the Pittsburgh Area 
> > Interurban Lines, in advance of visiting the PTM Archive next year.
> >
> >
> >
> > Questions related to Interurban routes:
> >
> > Greensburg:
> >
> > 1.       The maps in the CERA West Penn Traction book and the PTM West
> Penn
> > Railways booklet are different.  CERA shows a turn on the Otterman 
> > line at Hamilton extending to Ludwick, but the PTM map shows it 
> > ending at Hamilton and Otterman.
> >
> > 2.       The CERA map shows the line on Alexander extending to Weaver
> before
> > turning onto Green. The PTM map shows the line on Alexander 
> > extending only to Stanton (misspelled Station?) before turning onto
Green.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a 1949 and 1950 Greensburg Map at Penn State Map Library.
> > Anybody checked that or another contemporary map to confirm the 
> > correct
> locations?
> > Or have access to another map of Greensburg from before the abandonment?
> >
> >
> >
> > North Vandergrift:
> >
> >                The map in Dennis Cramer's Trolleys of Armstrong 
> > County seems to show the line closer to the river than my tracing 
> > from the
> > 1938 aerials and digital elevation data. It sure looks like it would 
> > have been on a private right-of-way west of Lincoln Ave until it 
> > joined Lincoln Ave (rt
> > 66) around 3rd St and then continued along Lincoln until going back 
> > on private right-of-way east of town but Dennis and Ed must have a 
> > reason for showing the route which I assume follows the alley 
> > between Lincoln and Jefferson?
> >
> >
> >
> > Latrobe:
> >
> >                The discussion last year on the list and the map Bob 
> > Netzlof drew clears up questions I had, but also shows the 
> > Westmorland County Street Railway that I cannot find any route
documentation for.
> >
> >
> >
> > FYI
> >
> > Penn State Library Digital Collection includes a
> >
> > 1920 Lewis' Pittsburgh Street & Trolley Guide
> >
> > http://collection1.libraries.psu.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/d
> > ig
> > italbk
> > s2/id/15293/rec/3
> >
> >
> >
> > I have attached a spreadsheet with the Suburban lines transcribed.
> > Lewis gives the Routes a letter/number designation. I am assuming 
> > these were assigned by Lewis rather than as an official designation 
> > of the Routes. For some reason there is no Route B or H. Were these 
> > in earlier Lewis guides and abandoned before 1920?
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Titchenal
> >
> > Stephen at Titchenal.com
> >
> > railsandtrails.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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