[PRCo] Greensburg and North Vandergrift questions

Mon Dec 15 11:57:39 EST 2014

well, you gave it to me to put there, so i figured it was!

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
wrote:
>
> Forgot about them...that's my map!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pittsburgh-railways
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> Daria
> Brashear via Pittsburgh-railways
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 9:34 PM
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Greensburg and North Vandergrift questions
>
> that's the one. some tracings, tho, too
>
> http://trolley.dementix.org/wcry/
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > That's the one from the abandonment petition.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pittsburgh-railways
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> > D Brashear via Pittsburgh-railways
> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 5:54 PM
> > To: Stephen Titchenal; Western PA Trolley discussion
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Greensburg and North Vandergrift questions
> >
> > There's westmoreland county railways maps at trolley.dementix.org that
> > I got from Ed like 10 years ago
> >
> > Daria
> >
> > > On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Stephen Titchenal via
> > > Pittsburgh-railways
> > <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm starting to update my route maps for the Pittsburgh Area
> > > Interurban Lines, in advance of visiting the PTM Archive next year.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Questions related to Interurban routes:
> > >
> > > Greensburg:
> > >
> > > 1.       The maps in the CERA West Penn Traction book and the PTM West
> > Penn
> > > Railways booklet are different.  CERA shows a turn on the Otterman
> > > line at Hamilton extending to Ludwick, but the PTM map shows it
> > > ending at Hamilton and Otterman.
> > >
> > > 2.       The CERA map shows the line on Alexander extending to Weaver
> > before
> > > turning onto Green. The PTM map shows the line on Alexander
> > > extending only to Stanton (misspelled Station?) before turning onto
> Green.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There is a 1949 and 1950 Greensburg Map at Penn State Map Library.
> > > Anybody checked that or another contemporary map to confirm the
> > > correct
> > locations?
> > > Or have access to another map of Greensburg from before the
> abandonment?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > North Vandergrift:
> > >
> > >                The map in Dennis Cramer's Trolleys of Armstrong
> > > County seems to show the line closer to the river than my tracing
> > > from the
> > > 1938 aerials and digital elevation data. It sure looks like it would
> > > have been on a private right-of-way west of Lincoln Ave until it
> > > joined Lincoln Ave (rt
> > > 66) around 3rd St and then continued along Lincoln until going back
> > > on private right-of-way east of town but Dennis and Ed must have a
> > > reason for showing the route which I assume follows the alley
> > > between Lincoln and Jefferson?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Latrobe:
> > >
> > >                The discussion last year on the list and the map Bob
> > > Netzlof drew clears up questions I had, but also shows the
> > > Westmorland County Street Railway that I cannot find any route
> documentation for.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > FYI
> > >
> > > Penn State Library Digital Collection includes a
> > >
> > > 1920 Lewis' Pittsburgh Street & Trolley Guide
> > >
> > > http://collection1.libraries.psu.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/d
> > > ig
> > > italbk
> > > s2/id/15293/rec/3
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have attached a spreadsheet with the Suburban lines transcribed.
> > > Lewis gives the Routes a letter/number designation. I am assuming
> > > these were assigned by Lewis rather than as an official designation
> > > of the Routes. For some reason there is no Route B or H. Were these
> > > in earlier Lewis guides and abandoned before 1920?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen Titchenal
> > >
> > > Stephen at Titchenal.com
> > >
> > > railsandtrails.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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