[PRCo] Simmons Loop, June-July-1953

Wed Sep 10 13:50:02 EDT 2014

>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Holland, James B. <PRCoPCC at 
>> p-r-co.com> wrote:
>>
>> ....... About a decade ago a photo was posted here showing the 
>> crossing -- the photographer was south looking north.  I believe Mark 
>> in Florida posted the photo.  I have searched the lisp photo files:
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/
>> ...using:  "Char; prw; loop; track; sim" each of them separately to 
>> see if I could find the photo which I could not.  Maybe others shall 
>> be more successful.
>
>
> On Mon Sep 8 06:57:37 EDT 2014, D Brashear shadow at dementix.org wrote
>
> Jim, right idea but no picture.  Mark [McGuire] said:
>
>     "There is a shot on page 127 (bottom) in Leroy King's Vol. IV of a
>     1700 car at Simmons taken from the abandoned Charleroi trackage
>     looking north. Now I just need to find something similar but
>     looking south into the abandoned trackage. I have an old Bill
>     Gwinn contact print of 4398 on a fantrip looking south but it is
>     very blurry."
>

Ahhhhhhh -- list server Just Back Up and Online And Hopefully running 
.......

Thank You Mark and Daria! -- The book-photo IS fuzzy but NB Charleroi 
tangent/'straight' rails clearly indicate guard rails whether or not the 
point/mate are still in place.  Guard rails would not be on a tangent at 
this location without special work.  The picture I am looking for 
clearly shows the crossing frogs in the loop/SB track to Charleroi, a 
prw photo similar view of book.  Such a crossing is "Not New 
Fabrication" but reclaimed from elsewhere on PRCo (Sewickley loop became 
Drake loop--Undt Udders!)++  Here is another pic of elusive 1701 at 
Simmons (possibly from Mark) looking the other direction.  But like 
others, it does not tell us anything:
1701_Simmons.jpg -- URL below

    ++  ".......  Railways generally had old hardware on hand (removed
    from other locations but still usable) for such purposes. Removal of
    crossing (along with trail point//mate) allow installation of larger
    curved section on new loop without excess joints."
    http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/2014-September/033337.html

We can take a lesson from the "wording" about Washington Closure which 
is in Noah's ArkIves for the list:  "PRCo PCC Interurban 1711 was the 
last REVENUE run from Washington to Pgh."  It was NOT the last car out 
of Tylerdale.

Back to Charleroi:  While service was terminated, much is needed to 
bring "Real Closure" to the line which includes moving both Spare 
Revenue cars (PCCs, DE-Low-Floor cars, possibly one 3800-series car 
which remained at least beyond end of service for said vehicles If Not 
to the very end of Charleroi) and "M" equipment to other locations on 
PRCo property as well as removal of overhead for scrap value then 
dismantling the tracks.  There is much more to closing out operations 
with real estate (barn) etc.  Thus the turnout in the NB track to allow 
equipment from Charleroi to move to Pgh and work equipment to do what it 
has to do down there.

NO!  The rwy would not move spares ahead of closure.  Operation 
continues as usual until after closure; one can not predict if car 
changes shall not be necessary on final runs.  (As for Washington, the 
city lines ended some weeks ahead of the interurban so those cars could 
be moved out once they are not needed.)

The 4398 would be almost 2+years after Char closure, too late for our needs.
The following photos are URLs at the bottom of the email from the 
following charter:
1955.06.12    4398    PRCo    Monongahela Incline, 57, 32, 36, 35, 38A, 
38, 42, 40, 48, 49, 22, 4, 5, 21, 8, 10, 15, 13, 6, 18.
4398SimmonsLoop-01_19550612.jpg -- already posted as BIN

4398SimmonsLoop-02_19550612.jpg -- already posted as BIN

4398_36-Loop_19550612_1600.jpg

This email in 'draft' when Daria posted to change BIN to JPG.  You did 
post these photos to list 2003-10-28 -- or that is date I downloaded 
it.  So now you have double copies of the photos; sell the extra one on 
ebay!

-- 
*Jim*

PS-------I had intended being at PTM Archives on Friday and Sat morn as 
well (12-13-Sept), but plans have changed and that shall be rescheduled 
later in the month.  I have rather active "schedule//timetable" into 
early Oct.

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