[PRCo] Re: Route 9

[Fred W. Schneider III]

Dad had a 1930 street map of Pittsburgh (which he later destroyed and I
saw priced second hand at several hundred clams) that showed
Perrysville-Charles service.  fws

Donald Galt wrote:
> 
> Trying to consolidate threads here.
> 
> On 19 May 01, at 20:41, Fred W. Schneider III wrote (thread
> http://davesrailpix.railfan.net/pitts/htm/kjpgh300.htm):
> 
> >
> > Probably because they felt there wasn't enough business to
> > justify running through.  Perhaps running every second or
> > third or fourth car through would have really screwed up
> > crew scheduling. Route 9 Charles was really a shuttle that
> > remained from the original Route 9 Perrysville / Charles. It
> > once ran through from downtown via Perrysville Avenue and
> > then down Charles Street.
> 
> Would that have been long, long ago, Fred?
> 
> Your 1914 listing shows the following:
> 
> Route 106, destination 8: Perrysville Ave - Riverview Park
>  Via Federal and Sandusky St., Ninth St. Bridge, Liberty Ave. and
> Seventh St. Bridge.
> 
> Route 106½, destination 8: Perrysville Ave.
>  Via Ohio St., Union and Church Aves., Anderson St., Ninth St.
> Bridge, Liberty Ave. and Seventh St. Bridge.
> 
> Route 106, destination 9: Perrysville Ave to Charles St.
>  Via Federal and Sandusky St., Ninth St. Bridge, Liberty Ave. and
> Seventh St. Bridge.
> 
> Nothing here about returning via Charles Street.
> 
> The same listing includes Route 109, destination 7 (Charles Street
> line as we know it, running to Penn Station) and Route 110, no
> destination number (Charles Street Transfer)
> 
> The Arnold Report (1910 - and pre-Keating, let us note) includes:
> 
>  106 - Perrysville Ave.
>         Running round trip mileage 8.93, dead mileage 5.08
> 
>  106½ - Perrysville Ave. to Charles St. (note discrepancy here)
>         No mileages shown
> 
>  109 - Charles St.
>         Running round trip mileage 6.22, dead mileage 0.66
> 
>  110 - Charles St. Transfer
>         Running round trip mileage 1.25, dead mileage 0.66
> 
> I've puzzled about some of these dead mileages before in this
> forum. the ones for the 109 and 110 are easy enough - this would
> be the distance from Taggart Street carhouse to Irwin Avenue. The
> 5.08 miles for the 106, I suppose that must be the round-trip
> distance from Taggart Street to Perrysville and East Street.
> 
> When, by the way, did Charles Street carhouse exist at Irwin
> Avenue? And what was its function? It's on the PTM track map, but
> there is no trace of it on the 1937 topo.
> 
> Don