[PRCo] Re: PCC in Holland

[John F Bromley]

Some of the HTM 3000s run on older trucks, some on new (both groups in solid
blocks).  When riding the cars you can't tell the difference, especially on
the 8 line once it hits the right of way south of Scheveningen.   Almost
dead silent.

JFB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred W. Schneider III" <fschnei at supernet.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:53 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCC in Holland


>
> Lodging and meals in Tatra territory can be much cheaper than in western
> Europe....
>
> John Swindler wrote:
> >
> > >John F Bromley replied
> > >
> > >
> > >There are no Tatras in the Hague.  Their PCC articulated cars (they all
> > >have standard PCC trucks and controls) were built by BN (Bombardier
now),
> > >as were the original PCCs.
> > >
> >
> > Didn't the 3000 series in The Hague use parts salvaged from 1100, 1200
and
> > 1300 series cars, such as trucks and motors?  Sort of along the lines of
> > what CTA did to create the 6000 series PCC rapid transit cars (but not
> > 6000-6199 which were all new material).  The controls on the 3000 may be
new
> > (solid-state?), but sure does look like old B-2 or B-3 trucks
underneath.
> >
> > Instead of Holland, those suffering from PCC withdrawal might consider
> > Belgium.  Greatly enjoyed riding 4-axle PCC cars to get about Ghent and
> > Antwerp last month. (and when was the last time anyone on this list rode
a
> > PCC streetcar to Hoboken?)  Not so impressed with  articulated PCC cars
in
> > Brussels.  By the way, air fare is about the same from northeast, but it
was
> > considerably cheaper for lodging and to travel about Belgium as compared
> > with California.
> >
> > John
> >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <AProchek at aol.com>
> > >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:38 AM
> > >Subject: [PRCo] PCC in Holland
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I was in The Hauge this week (they still have an extensive streetcar
> > >system)
> > > > and a PCC went by.... it was called the "Party Trolley" or "Party
Tram"
> > >and
> > > > done up in a triple treat/Mod desire kind of scheme.  This one must
have
> > >been
> > > > a special charter streetcar as all the other streetcars I saw were
three
> > >unit
> > > > Tatras.  It looked remarkably unmolested except for the pantograph -
a
> > >stock
> > > > post war all-electric.
> > > >
> > > > Those of you missing Pittsburgh Railways system may find Holland's
> > >strangely
> > > > familiar, except for the Tatras.  Unlike the Light Rail system, they
> > >seem
> > >to
> > > > feel that a little grass between the rails adds to the charm (in
fact,
> > >in
> > >the
> > > > private right of ways its nothing but grass and rails) and the line
> > >poles
> > >are
> > > > relatively small, painted olive which blends into the surroundings.
> > >minimal
> > > > overhead clutter. nice.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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