[PRCo] Re: ({[pat]}) Paint Schemes

[John F Bromley]

Hey Jim,

Thanks for taking the time.  I'll go through and pick up some extra data,
I'm sure, and incorporate it into the first draft.  Original Tuesday target
date now set back to Thursday (for all those that asked you ARE on the
list), I've gotten stuff from Lee Gregory (who must by now, after all his
research, be the PRC-PAT paint expert)  to look over as well.

JFB





----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Holland" <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
To: "-->- PRCo -- WP -- JTC -- The Big *3* -<--"
<pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 3:25 AM
Subject: [PRCo] ({[pat]}) Paint Schemes


>
> Good  Morning!!
>
> Enclosed are  *some*  (by  NO  means  ALL)  gleanings from  PTM//PRMA
> ~Trolley--Fare~  from 1964--1970  concerning the painting of  ({[pat]})
> equipment, but it starts with 1970 and works back.
> Also enclosed somewhere within this listing is the reason for one cream
> and one red dash light on 1697, a question poised by Ken, I
> believe!<GGGGGG>
> And as mentioned earlier, until  ({[pat]})  had determined what
> equipment it was responsible for, many cars were touched up with PRCo
> paint as opposed to being painted in ({[pat]})  gray colors!
>
> ------------------------------------------
> ==========================================
> ------------------------------------------
>
> From  ~Trolley  Fare~  of  March--1970,
> a publication of the Pennsylvania Railway Museum Association.
> ====================
>
> Gray with  *white*  roof::
>
> 1605 1702
> 1607 1743§*
> 1623 1762
> 1635 1767
> 1661
>
> ====================
>
> Gray  with  *Gray*  roof:
>
> 1704 1738
> 1706 1746
> 1711§ 1749§
> 1718 1757
> 1719
>
> ====================
>
> PRCo Hourglass Front
>
> 1619 1722
> 1636 1724
> 1643 1744
> 1709 1763
> ====================
>
> PRCo  Hourglass  Front
> Centered Number
> 1748
> ====================
>
> PRCo  Solid  Red  Front
>
> 1601 1654 1727 1754
> 1603 1656 1731 1756
> 1604 1670 1734 1758
> 1616 1671 1735 1759
> 1617 1673 1736 1760
> 1624 1703 1740 1761
> 1628 1708 1741 1765
> 1632 1712 1742 1766
> 1639 1715 1745 1768
> 1642 1716 1747 1769
> 1649 1717 1751 1771
> 1650 1723 1752 1772
> ====================
>
> PRCo  Solid  Red  Front
> Black  Numbers
>
> 1613 1707
> 1620 1720
> 1637 1721
> 1646 1729
> 1659 1737
> 1660 1739
> 1700 1773
> ====================
>
> PRCo  "V"  Front
>
> 1644 1713
> 1657 1728
> 1710
> ====================
>
> PRCo  Cream  Top
> Red  Bottom
>
> 1614 1627 1651 1667
> 1615 1633 1652 1669
> 1621 1638 1662 1672
> 1622 1640 1664 1705
> 1626 1641 1666 1753
> ====================
>
> Paint Scheme Not Available±
>
> 1631± 1726± 1730±
> ====================
>
> ? Out  of  Service
> Paint Scheme Not Listed±
>
> 1714± 1733± 1764±
> ====================
>
> ?  Stripped  and//or  Extensively  Damaged
> Paint Scheme Not Listed±
>
> M1276
> 1609± 1663±
> 1618± 1732±
> 1653± 1755±
> ====================
>
> §  First cars to receive PATs round emblem behind
> front doors and in similar position on left side.
> ±  Please see ~Trolley  Fare~  of  February--1967
> for most recent paint scheme.
> *  I have a later photo which shows 1743 with an all--grey roof.
>
> ========================================
> ========================================
> ========================================
>
> From  ~Trolley  Fare~  of  June--1967
>
> "PAT started to paint cars following the collision of 1743 with 1459.
> The idea was to try three different levels of work, have the board
> inspect and select one level for application to many of the remaining
> car fleet.  First PAT spent $3,000 to refurbish 1743s exterior, later
> 1749 and 1711 were painted.  1749 cost $1,000 for a paint job, while
> 1711 had a complete rebuild including new upholstery for $6,000.  1755
> was next getting the medium price job and with the passing of the East
> End it looked as if at least 30 cars would get painted.  All as the
> first three in a new paint scheme with a gray roof.  Since these
> auspicious beginnings there has been a steady decline in the
> workmanship, poorer bodywork, noticeable spraymarks and OH! back to the
> old habits of painting right over dirt and rust.  1746 recently emerged
> looking very sloppy, at this rate the end of this painting program can't
> come too soon."
>
> ========================================
> ========================================
> ========================================
>
> From  ~Trolley  Fare~  of  February--1967
>
> PAT  Paint  Scheme
> No distinction made between white or all gray roof.
>
> 1415 1702
> 1496 1711
> 1548 1743
> 1556 1749
> 1605 1755
> 1607 1762
> 1623 1767
> 1635 1797
> 1661
> 1678
> ====================
>
> PRCo  Hourglass  Front
>
> 1449 1613 1709 1746
> 1502 1619 1717 1763
> 1516 1620 1720 1770
> 1519 1631 1722 1773
> 1527 1636 1723 1781
> 1538 1637 1724 1784
> 1543 1643 1726 1792
> 1550 1660 1736 1798
> 1563 1700 1744 1799
> 1612
> ====================
>
> PRCo  Original  Red  Front
>
> 1602
> ====================
>
> PRCo  Red  Front
> Side  Number
>
> 1405 1549 1568 1731 1761
> 1412 1558 1659 1732 1764
> 1426 1601 1670 1733 1765
> 1436 1603 1671 1734 1766
> 1452 1604 1673 1735 1768
> 1455 1609 1674 1737 1769
> 1457 1616 1676 1738 1771
> 1464 1617 1703 1739 1772
> 1465 1618 1704 1740 1774
> 1466 1624 1706 1741 1775
> 1468 1628 1707 1742 1776
> 1470 1632 1708 1745 1779
> 1475 1634 1712 1747 1782
> 1500 1639 1714 1750 1783
> 1504 1642 1715 1751 1785
> 1513 1647 1716 1752 1786
> 1523 1649 1718 1754 1788
> 1525 1650 1719 1756 1793
> 1539 1653 1721 1757 1794
> 1540 1654 1727 1758 1795
> 1546 1655 1729 1759 1796
> 1547 1656 1730 1760
> ====================
>
> PRCo  "V"  Front
>
> 1510 1561 1713
> 1514 1644 1728
> 1518 1646 1778
> 1520 1657 1780
> 1545 1710 1790
> ====================
>
> PRCo  Partial  Simplified
> (Not Defined!)
>
> 1436 1547
> 1518 1602
> 1527 1653
> ====================
>
> PRCo  Cream  Top
> Red  Bottom
>
> 1419 1610 1640 1669
> 1431 1614 1641 1672
> 1440 1615 1651 1697
> 1460 1621 1652 1705
> 1509 1622 1662 1753
> 1511 1626 1663 1777
> 1515 1627 1664 1787
> 1522 1633 1666 1789
> 1553 1638 1667 1791
> 1564
> ====================
>
> WABCo
>
> 1467
> ====================
>
> Rear  Safety  Sign
>
> 1431 1522 1674 1735
> 1455 1603 1713 1758
> 1513 1610 1715 1782
> 1514 1646 1733 1788
> 1518
> ====================
>
> Dash  Lights
>
> 1617 1643 1709 1741
> 1619 1697 1721 1772
> 1620 1700 1722 1776
> 1624 1707 1738 1799
> 1632 1708
> ====================
>
> SCRAPPING  --  from  ~Trolley  Fare~
> February--1967
>
> "The scrapping of cars reported in our November 1966 issue wasn't quite
> complete at that time.  The 54 cars cut up to the time of that writing
> are listed in that issue and the information below completes the job:"
>
> 1415 11.17.66
> 1422 11.15
> 1427 11.21
> 1441 11.17
> 1443 11.08
> 1461 11.08
> 1559 11.10
> 1683 11.15
> 1684 11.04
> 1690 11.04
> 1696 11.10
> M18 11.28
> M36 11.23
> M52 12.05
> M54 12.01
>
> "The  1967  Scrapping  Program
> "As was briefly detailed in our last issue, the junk list due to the
> East End 'busting' will be extensive; 90 PCC cars and 9 work cars.  They
> are as follows:"
>
> "1400s  --  Total  of  20
>
> 1405 1436 1455 1466
> 1412 1440 1457 1468
> 1419 1449 1460 1479
> 1426 1451 1464 1475
> 1431 1452 1465 1496
>
> 1500s  --  Total  of  33
>
> 1500 1502 1504
> 1509--1511
> 1513--1516
> 1518--1520
> 1522--1523
> 1525 1527
> 1538--1540
> 1543
> 1545--1550
> 1553 1556 1558 1561
> 1563--1564
>
> 1600s  --  Total  of  10
>
> 1658 1676 1678 1697
> plus 6 more WH cars not yet decided.
>
> 1700s  --  Total  of  27
>
> 1770 1774--1799
>
> Work  Cars  --  Total  of  9
>
> M31 M39 M42
> M37 M40 M455
> M38 M41 M459
>
> "It's pretty obvious that there's going to be a shortage of GE-equipped
> PCCs around Pgh. in the future, in fact they'll be but one, M1276 which,
> somehow, escaped the scrap list.  There will also be but one 1400
> remaining, WABCos 1467, which is due for further test operation next
> spring and should be around for several more years at least."
> "There's a move afoot in the PRMA to preserve the M37.  1547, which was
> to have gone to Minneapolis, is included in the scrap list.  1770 and
> 1774, wrecked last summer, will be scrapped in spite of relatively mild
> damage, particularly on the 1770.  Things like this just might lead one
> to believe (if he were not too perceptive) that PAT didn't care for rail
> transit.  But we all know that isn't true now, don't we???.....,  WELL,
> DON'T  WE!!!!"
>
> ========================================
> ========================================
> ========================================
>
> From  ~Trolley  Fare~  Sept/Oct--1966
> Random  Notes.
>
> "During the morning rush on Wednesday, August 17, cars 1770 and 1774
> met head-on on the 42/38 line near the Castle Shannon end of the line.
> ._._. one car was loading passengers when the other rounded a blind
> curve and hit it.  Damages were apparently none too severe and it's
> highly likely that they two cars will be repaired."
>
> "Dash lights have been removed from 1616 and 1740."
>
> "The demise of 1408 leaves not a single car in the original 1936 paint
> scheme.  Only 1602 retains the original style red front, but the roof of
> the car has been repainted solid cream."
>
> "By the way, Sunday service after Labor Day in Pittsburgh will be
> provided by just 14 streetcars."
>
> "Remember the  'V-front'  paint scheme so popular just a few years
> ago?  There are now just 16-cars painted that way that are still
> active.  The green--on--white safety slogan signs which PRCo applied to
> about 32 cars:  Those are down to 14-active cars.  One might think PAT
> is trying to cover up the existence of PRCo?"
>
> ========================================
> ========================================
> ========================================
>
> From  ~Trolley  Fare~  July--1966
>
> PAT  Colors
>
> 1451 1605 1678
> 1488 1607 1702
> 1496 1623 1762
> 1548 1635 1767
> 1556 1661 1797
> ====================
>
> Cars  with  Dash  Lights
>
> 1613 1643 1708 1739
> 1616 1681 1709* 1740
> 1617 1697 1718 1741
> 1619 1700 1721 1772
> 1620 1706 1722 1776
> 1624 1707 1738 1799
> 1632
> * Only One Dash Light
> ====================
>
> "Comments"
> "Although the GE 1600s are getting the ax, 4 remain in service.   1697
> presently has one dash light painted red and one painted white.  It,
> being the only simplified car to retain its dash lights, had them
> painted red to match the rest of the belt rail.  One got busted, hence
> the white replacement.  1686  *was*  the only V-front with dash lights."
>
> ========================================
> ========================================
> ========================================
>
> From  ~Trolley  Fare~  April--1966
>
> "New front paint touch-ups:  Red fronts,  1433,  1532,  1546,  1674,
> 1738*,  1793*,  1779.  *These [2] cars retained their dash lights and
> 1558 and 1673 got new V fronts."
> "Cars with the PAT color scheme also got a touch-up:  1451,  1556,
> 1635,  1702,  1762,  1767,  1797."
>
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> ==========================================
> ------------------------------------------
>
> --
> James B. Holland
>         Pittsburgh  Railways  Company  (PRCo),   1930  --  1950
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