[PRCo] Re: FYI about PAT CAF cars

[John Swindler]

Didn't the truck design used by Brookville come from Germany, or was that 
just the control package????

js



>From: Fred Schneider <fschnei at supernet.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: FYI about PAT CAF cars
>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:08:11 -0500
>
>Minor correction Harold:  The New Orleans Canal Street cars do not have a
>modified PCC truck.  They have a truck that was designed and built by
>Brookville.  It happens to be the very same design that Brookville 
>subsequently
>used on the Philadephia PCC rebuilding.  My impression is that it is 
>heavier
>than a PCC truck but I have no idea what its weight actually is.  .
>
>"Harold G." wrote:
>
> > Greetings to John and all.
> >
> > PCC cars remain a good transit vehicle.
> >
> > I have used the rebuilt Brookville cars in Phila and
> > they are good.  New Orleans Canal Street cars
> > have a modified PCC truck.
> >
> > In Holland, the PCC truck was transferred to
> > their artic cars in The Hague.  Rotterdam has
> > new Alston and Amsterdam has new Siemens cars.
> > The Hague also has a small group of used cars from
> > Hannover.  These artics run every day and are from the
> > late 60's and early 70's.  Budapest also acquired a
> > large number of the Hannover cars.
> >
> > The Hague has wide Blvds befitting the capital city.
> > Rotterdam was rebuilt new from World War II distruction.
> > But Amsterdam is still like it was...and I like it better.
> > Their first subway was along rr r/w and not too successful/
> > Now they are building a second subway but with much
> > distruction in the process.and at high cost.  Buses on the
> > street would be worse
> >
> > The first two LRV's for Minneapolis were built in
> > Mexico for Bombardier.  The body shells for the
> > Boeing LRV came from Japan.  The CTA 2400
> > bodies came from Portugal.
> >
> > The first San Diego LRV's came direct from
> > Germany.  Edmonton and Calgary cars were built by Siemens in the Calgary
> > shop.  Pgh LRV's were assembled to Blawnox, Pa.
> > Make a good story someday to summarize all this.
> >
> > Bob D mentioned outsourcing to Central America.  One of the
> > Airlines was Jet Blue.
> >
> > Harold Geissenheimer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> > To: transitmgr2 at earthlink.net <transitmgr2 at earthlink.net>
> > Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:57 PM
> > Subject: RE: [PRCo] Re: FYI about PAT CAF cars
> >
> > >
> > >Hi Harold
> > >
> > >Just for the record, Harold, I don't have a problem with CAF and 
>Elmira.
> > >Actually, I'm harrassing Jim Holland a bit, who I've known for over 40
> > >years.  However, Jim's mired in the PCC era.  I keep trying to nudge 
>him a
> > >bit towards LRV operations, so far without much success.
> > >
> > >The PCC was a good design, and it is what I grew up with in Pittsburgh. 
>  I
> > >have many fond memories, and am just a bit too young to remember the
> > 'yellow
> > >cars.'  But PCC was still a vehicle designed to last 20 years, and then 
>be
> > >replaced with the next generation rolling stock.  That's a paraphase 
>from a
> > >speech given by Dr. Hirschfeld of ERPCC to the AERA (today's APTA)
> > >convention in 1935.
> > >
> > >My opinions go back to a trip to Holland in 1968.  Spent a day in The 
>Hague
> > >and enjoyed the fast PCC operation on reserved rights of way.  Spent a 
>day
> > >in Amsterdam and was not impressed with slow operation of Duewag cars 
>on
> > >city streets.  Then spent a final day in Rotterdam with fast Duewag
> > >operation on reserved rights of way.  The conclusions of a 24 year old
> > >American???  Try to avoid letting the rail vehicle get bogged down in 
>city
> > >traffic, and Duewag cars can give a better operator to passenger
> > >productivity ratio.  And as for ride quality - not much difference.  
>PCC
> > and
> > >LRV can both provide comfortable, quick ride for passengers.  And I 
>like
> > the
> > >Duewag rides in San Diego, St. Louis, Denver, Sacramento, and even
> > >Pittsburgh.  (but the door operation is very slow)
> > >
> > >My regret?  Not making a lot more trips to Europe over the years.
> > >
> > >John
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Harold G." <transitmgr2 at earthlink.net>
> > >>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > >>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >>Subject: [PRCo] Re: FYI about PAT CAF cars
> > >>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:44:43 -0500
> > >>
> > >>Greetings to all.   Was Elmira the rehaber of the
> > >>Arden PCC cars?   Pretty good work.
> > >>
> > >>Why all this criticism of CAF and Elmira?
> > >>
> > >>I liked the CAF cars for Sacramento.  Also
> > >>the Ring line cars for Amsterdam.
> > >>
> > >>Harold Geissenheimer
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> > >>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
><pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >>Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:47 AM
> > >>Subject: [PRCo] Re: FYI about PAT CAF cars
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>James B. Holland asked:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>CAF  --  That's  CAlifornia, F-Line, San Francisco.......
> > >> >>
> > >> >>              Keerect??
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >try:
> > >> >
> > >> >http://www.caf.es/10/instalaciones.asp
> > >> >
> > >> >and it's practically in your back yard, Jim
> > >> >
> > >> >Looks like CAF also acquired the former Adtranz plant in Elmira.  
>And we
> > >>all
> > >> >know what got fixed up at this plant.
> > >> >
> > >> >John
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>John Swindler wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > CAF also has a plant in Sacramento. Suspect that there is more 
>to
> > >>this
> > >> >> > saga that hasn't come out yet.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> From: "Boris Cefer" <westinghouse at iol.cz>
> > >> >> >> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > >> >> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >> >> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: [Fwd: FYI about PAT CAF cars]
> > >> >> >> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:39:37 +0100
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Any guess what the cost of the trip to Spain and back is?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
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