[PRCo] Re: Pittsburgh Railways maps

[mtoytrain at bellsouth.net]

Fred

i for one, enjoy all your "little" tidbits about PRC and appreciate it very much!    

Thanks

Jerry Matsick
Jacksonville
> 
> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> Date: 2005/09/15 Thu AM 11:20:23 EDT
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pittsburgh Railways maps
> 
> I've mentioned this individually to a lot of people but probably  
> never to the list.  I had an acquaintance in Pittsburgh named Charles  
> E. Schauck ... sort of a second father.  At the time I was a  
> practicing Presbyterian and so was that family.  He graduated from  
> CIT about the same time as my dad and Sam Lybarger and also with a  
> degree in electrical engineering.  He had two kids, a daughter my age  
> and daughter my sister's age.  And it seems that every time I went to  
> Pittsburgh I wound up out in Bethel Park in their home for dinner.    
> Now the key connection ... Schauck was the final Superintendent of  
> Power and Inclines for Pittsburgh Railways and the first one to hold  
> post under the Port Authority.
> 
> Many times he told me different little tidbits of the financial  
> condition of Pittsburgh Railways ... all sorts of things ranging from  
> a suit with Duquesne Light Company because they were no longer using  
> enough electricity and the one-time member of the family was now  
> billing demand charges to what it was like to sit in on the annual  
> budget meetings with Charles Palmer and have one item after another  
> chopped from your budget.
> 
> That last statement should sufficiently illuminate why PRC only  
> issued one transit map after the 1949 reorganization, or why some  
> routes (62 Trafford comes to mind) had public timetables printed on a  
> mimeograph machine.
> 
> I just can't remember when Donohue in P. R. first gave me a copy of  
> the map but it was probably around 1954 or 1955.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2005, at 9:32 PM, Bill Robb wrote:
> 
> 
> > Thanks Fred, Bob and Edward for all the information.
> >
> > Yes, this is the map with the 1700 PCC and the GM
> > diesel on the cover. I checked, 63 Corey Avenue isn't
> > on the map, neither is 12 Evergreen. But it does have
> > the 206/216 Manchester Evergreen feeder bus so that
> > narrows it down more.
> >
> > Bill Robb
> >
> > --- Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Pittsburgh Railways was not given to wasting their
> >> breath telling you
> >> where their trolleys and buses ran.  If you lived
> >> there you knew.
> >> I remember one map in the 1940s and another in the
> >> 1950s.  If you are
> >> talking about one with a 1700 PCC and a GM diesel
> >> bus on the cover,
> >> it was probably issued about 1952 - 53  and they
> >> were still being
> >> handed out in until stocks were depleted.  I know
> >> they were still in
> >> stock in July 1958.   I organized a fantrip in 1958
> >> and we gave them
> >> out to all the participants.   I think I recall
> >> that, at one point,
> >> they might have inserted a scrap of paper altering
> >> the fares.
> >>
> >> It would take me more time to find a copy in this
> >> "dump" than it
> >> would just to offer you meaningful generalizations.
> >> The diesel buses
> >> were acquired to replace the Millvale and Etna cars
> >> on Labor Day
> >> 1952.  So you know it was after that.   I'm pretty
> >> sure that the
> >> interurbans are not on that guide, so that moves it
> >> to after August
> >> 29, 1953.   And that juncture, the logical point
> >> would have been to
> >> withhold release until after the last shuttle /
> >> transfer routes were
> >> abandoned ... the 12 Evergeen car (lower north side
> >> via East Street)
> >> was replaced by the Manchester - Evergreen bus (it
> >> didn't go in East
> >> Street but over the top of the hill), and that
> >> happened in December
> >> 1953.
> >>
> >> Your guess about the initiation of a 20 cent fare is
> >> as good as any.
> >> If 63 Corey Avenue in Braddock shows as a rail
> >> route, it quit the
> >> same day as the Washington interurban:  August 29,
> >> 1953.   Of
> >> course, you didn't mention Washington and I don't
> >> remember that it
> >> was on the map.  I thought the map came after that.
> >>
> >> fws
> >>
> >> On Sep 14, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Bill Robb wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I was given a Pittsburgh Railways Transit guide by
> >>>
> >>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>
> >>> friend on Monday night.  There is no noticeable
> >>>
> >>>
> >> date
> >>
> >>
> >>> on the map.
> >>>
> >>> I've been able to narrow it down to between
> >>>
> >>>
> >> 12/27/53
> >>
> >>
> >>> and 1/1/56 by the 20 cent trolley and feeder bus
> >>>
> >>>
> >> fare
> >>
> >>
> >>> and the 25 cent cash or 5 ticket for $1.15 through
> >>>
> >>>
> >> bus
> >>
> >>
> >>> fare.  Using the March-April 1975 Motor Coach Age
> >>> article on Pittsburgh Railways I can narrow it
> >>>
> >>>
> >> down
> >>
> >>
> >>> further to after 6/7/53 when the P&LE Transfer
> >>>
> >>>
> >> went
> >>
> >>
> >>> bus.
> >>>
> >>> Is there any hidden indication of the date this
> >>>
> >>>
> >> map
> >>
> >>
> >>> was issued?  I see a code at the bottom of the
> >>>
> >>>
> >> front
> >>
> >>
> >>> cover: 10316-26X.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Robb
> >>>
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