[PRCo] Re: "Yellow cars"

[Fred Schneider]

I've seen Kodachromes of cars just painted and they looked yellowish  
orange ... pretty close to the standard school bus yellow.   There is  
a slide of a car at Keating that John Seibert took about 1948 or 1949  
when he was working for the New Kensington YMCA ... car had just been  
painted ... I think it was 4366 ... may have been published in one of  
the Morning Sun books ... the original slide looked very yellowish  
orange.   If you compared it to work cars or West Penn cars, the  
latter two were definitely much less yellow and more orange.   Once  
you get that car out of the shop and away from those Sodium Vapor  
shop lights, you'll see a big difference.

On Nov 20, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Bob Dietrich wrote:

> Not to belabor the point but 4398 in the shop looks orange to me.   
> I went to
> the LeRoy King Book Pennsylvania Trolleys Volume IV, the 40s, and  
> found
> several pictures of low-floor cars on pages 120-123.  These had  
> many years
> to fade and they all look like dirty faded orange, not yellow.  I  
> even got
> an unbiased opinion from my wife, who is never wrong, and she agreed -
> orange. The Wilkes Barre car on page 77 is yellow.
>
> I still contend that the PRCo low-floor cars were orange - I just  
> wonder why
> they became known as "yellow cars".  I have a theory that someone  
> called
> them yellow in the pollution years and nobody could see the cars  
> clearly
> enough to refute that claim. :-)
>
> Does anyone know?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of  
> Fred
> Schneider
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:09 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: "Yellow cars"
>
> The lights inside the building tend to make the car look a lot more
> yellow than it is.
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Jim Holland wrote:
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>> When 3756 was painted a number of years ago, people Here On This List
>> speculated that PTM mistakenly used  *M*aintenance Orange instead of
>> Passenger Orange which is Much More Subtle  --  mebbe the same
>> thing was
>> done on 4398.       It is also photographed Inside which can alter  
>> the
>> color outcome.
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>> Regardless of the soot in the air the color will still Fade in the
>> normal fashion  --  Cars Were Washed regularly then.       The  
>> acid in
>> the air may have helped to promote the fade, also mentioned here on
>> this
>> list before.
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>> Jim  Holland
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>> Studying Pittsburgh Railways Company (PRCo)
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>> Bob Dietrich wrote:
>>> Is all of Pittsburgh Color-blind or is it just PTM members?        
>>> Why
>>> is that orange car called "yellow"?       I don't buy that it will
>>> "fade to yellow", in 1930 it would fade to black-over-orange.
>>
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