[PRCo] Re: Pen's get new luxury hotel

[John Swindler]

It's not the trolley line as such, it's the imagined tax revenue increase that city officials covet.  Goes back to Portland.
 
John
 
> From: mtoytrain at bellsouth.net> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pen's get new luxury hotel> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:33:17 +0000> > Fred is absolutely correct about having a "Wet Dream and have to have a Trolley Line", through out the> fast growing South, just about every city is talking trolley line and many all ready have them, don't think> Jacksonville will have one all though over 1 million plus live here,, the population is to spread out.> one thing about Pittsburgh is the news or reports from first time visitors to the Burg tell me, it would be> great to have a trolley to the strip or university section of the city, with the New Pen Arena and new> business and entertainment going in on Center Ave a trolley would make sense, but not CENTS!> J> From: Jerry "Matt" Matsick > > AGING: Eventually you will reach a point when you > stop lying about your age and start Bragging > about it.> > -------------- Original message from Schneider Fred <fwschneider at comcast.net>: -------------- > > > > I'm not going to disclose the name of the friend who wrote this other > > than to say the man was in railway equipment engineering all his > > life. It came in an e-mail this morning in response to my sending > > him the announcement of one more "wet dream" about a streetcar > > line. I think this last one might have been the people in Waco, > > Texas saying, 'Hey man, we gots to have a trolley.' > > "One thing about this emerging development: I am getting a clearer > > understanding of how streetcar systems over-expanded in the early > > 1900s. We are seeing the exact same phenomenon now...streetcars have > > suddenly become the definition of what a modern city should have, and > > unknowledgable city fathers are all pushing them without any clear > > business plan for whether it makes sense for their city. The only > > difference is that now it's governmental money (us) instead of > > gullible private investors." > > > > I can predict that Ken Josephson will agree with him. Jerry might > > not. And I'm going to say I want the limited tax dollars put where > > they are making sense, that is in cities that are expanding and > > proving that rail is making sense and most of those, sadly for most > > of us, are well to the west of the Mississippi River. I'm having a > > problem with putting it in places like Buffalo, St. Louis, Detroit or > > Pittsburgh, where there are massive population declines, and then > > proving that it works by having artificially low fares. > > > > Now if you can figure how to get someone to invest 100,000 high end > > new jobs in Allegheny County.... (No that would be too many, in > > the end it would result in a million more people.) > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Derrick J Brashear wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Jerry MATT Matsick wrote: > > > > > >> Perhaps the stir of new Center Avenue area Hotel will convince the > > >> city > > >> to put a new street car line in? > > > > > > When a local libertarian proposed a streetcar line on South 21st St > > > I knew > > > they had some broader appeal. Still, as a realist, "not gonna happen" > > > > > > I passed the site less than 24 hours ago. Right now the old > > > hopsital is > > > just a big hole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
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