[PRCo] Re: 3807

Thu Aug 27 08:58:28 EDT 2009

I wouldn't depend on this.  And 1942 is way too late for those window signs.
If the car had been used regularly, it would have been due for paint again
about 1939, and that didn't happen.  And the paint in the photo doesn't look
that abused, except for the dust. 

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From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:33 AM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807

True.  Perhaps an accident report will turn up in the newpaper - say around
1942?  That should give sufficient time for dust to accumulate.  

I was looking at some Mkt-Fkd maintenance records yesterday, and accident
reports were in the files.  Cars are pulled out of service until the
insurance and safety people had done their 'due diligence'.  It can be
several months.  But I don't - and somewhat doubt - if the same would apply
70 years ago  on PRC????  But it may have been pulled from service to get
fixed, and never got fixed.

> From: trams2 at comcast.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:03:49 -0400
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> Those signs in the window and the dust layers tell us that car has 
> been in the building for a long time. Too bad nobody looked on the 
> other side...they just blindly accepted the railfans' version, which 
> of course can't be.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
> John Swindler
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:04 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
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> Unfortunately there may not be a picture of front or other side to see 
> if there was accident damage. This is post WWII. Were 12s and 16s 
> being used on Overbrook lines at this date? Maybe 3807 was just the 
> first to be phased out of service?????
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> > From: trams2 at comcast.net
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] 3807
> > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:18:13 -0400
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> > There was recently some discussion about PRCo 3807. For years 
> > stories have circulated about how this car never ran in service, but 
> > the facts do not appear to bear this out.
> > 
> > Let's begin with the Charles Dengler note that accompanies the 
> > attached photo of the car inside the Homewood Shops in November 1945:
> > 
> > "We have been told that 3807 made a round trip on the Charleroi 
> > line, and she came back 8 inches out of line (her body). Knowing 
> > PRCo track, this is quite possible. St Louis Car Co. built 3800-3814 
> > in 1928. St Louis Car Co said they would not stock parts for the 
> > 3800s. PRCo then did not pay for 3807, but kept her for parts, and 
> > the 3100, 3300 type trucks she sets [sic] on, were used so that the 
> > original trucks could be spares for the other 3800s, they had a long
wheel base and 28" wheels."
> > 
> > This is a story that a railfan could love. It has that mystique that 
> > sets this car apart as really different. So what's wrong with it?
> > 
> > First...St. Louis Car warranted its products against structural 
> > defects, ot it wouldn't have sold any. Had there been such a problem 
> > in the beginning, it would have been adjusted.
> > 
> > Secondly...and most compelling to me...is the fact that 3807 
> > received a complete #1 paint job on January 19, 1934, right on 
> > schedule for the
> series.
> > If it was damaged in 1928 and was never run (or paid for) in 
> > service, why would it need new paint? The fact that the "Watch Car Turn"
> > lettering has been added to the rear of the car (it was not there 
> > originally, as illustrated in Union Switch & Signal's photo C-26772 
> > of car 3802 when the Washington signals were new) clearly implies 
> > that it was in service, as do the Depression-era institutional 
> > advertising signs
> showing in the windows.
> > 
> > So clearly the car was in service for at least five years and four
months.
> > What happened after that is the $64 question.
> > 
> > Ed
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