[PRCo] Re: Pittsburgh 4322 from Gaterman file 409

Fri Aug 13 10:50:45 EDT 2010

John

Please have a look at PRC Running Time Spec #4169, attached.  While I =
unfortunately do not have a date for this, it is obviously before the =
abandonment of Rt. 38 as a separate route and clearly shows that on =
Saturdays there were trips which were run as 42/38 from Clearview Loop =
over the Beechview route. This is consistent with my recollection of =
operations in the early 1960s.  How early 42/38 was so designated and =
signed, I do not know;  however, I have a public timetable dated 4 =
September 1962 which shows this arrangement.  However, cars were =
operated that way as far back as 1904.  The 1914 route listing shows =
#312-Mt. Lebanon-Beechview but the destination sign for this route is =
shown as 42, not 42/38. There is no separate showing for a route =
operating to Dormont Jct. only, however, #312 had a variant-Neeld Avenue =
with destination sign 43 which may have in those years provided all the =
cutback service to Beechview.  Also of note is route 304-Castle =
Shannon-Mt Lebanon, with a destination sign of 38.  This was a through =
route through the tunnel to downtown.  There is no listing for a =
separate transfer route which we later knew as 38A.

I agree that this shot is probably one of routine operations.  Normal =
practice was for cars to change ends at Clearview, as to use the loop =
there could interfere with regular operations of looping Rt. 38 or 42/38 =
cars turning to return to downtown or South Hills Jct. Clearview loop =
was only used to turn cars coming in from Castle Shannon in emergency =
situations--and probably for the odd rail enthusiast tour!

Dwight

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  Sent: Thursday, 12 August, 2010 23:26
  Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pittsburgh 4322 from Gaterman file 409

  For starters, not 42/38.  42/38 was created when route 38 abandoned as =
separate route circa 1961, long after 4322 was scrapped.

  And not running on route 42 which terminated at Dormont Wye.  This is =
the 38A layover at Clearview loop.  This view is looking west towards =
Washington Blvd.

  And Alfred St. is to right of this picture.  Not visible at this =
angle.  Pavement to right would have been used by the three Mt. Lebanon =
shuttle bus lines - Inglewood, Jefferson and Sunset Hills.  They came =
down an alley to left of photographer

  And what is the motorman doing???  Probably pulling the pole down for =
his next trip to Castle Shannon.

  Perhaps not such a rare use after all.

  Cheers
  John

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  > Subject: [PRCo] Pittsburgh 4322 from Gaterman file 409
  > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:29:16 -0400
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  > The photograph forwarded with this e-mail was on Skip Gaterman's =
daily postcards.   It's unusual because route 42 called for double-end =
cars.   Anyone want to venture an opinion why a low 4300 would be =
running on Dormont?    The only suggestion I might have is that there =
might have been 42/38 trips that terminated in Castle Shannon and then =
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  > Or might it be a trip from South Hills Car House to Mount Lebanon to =
put the car in service?    =20
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  > The location, by the way, is Washington Road at Alfred Street =
(Clearview Loop).   It is the entrance to the loop from Washington Road. =
  The building over the center door is on the northwest side of =
Washington Road.   This I have confirmed from Bing Maps.   All of these =
buildings exist today (or at the time the aerial photographs were made). =
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  > Skip claims there was no identification on the photo other than it =
is a rare use of this type car.   No kidding!!!!
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