[PRCo] Re: Fw: Route 54

Edward H. Lybarger trams2 at comcast.net
Mon Jun 27 08:14:58 EDT 2011 

I don't really have a lot of time this week, but...

It was in Second Avenue route numbering because they had to put it
somewhere, and since Route 53 left town on that street and 54 went up 18th
Street and out Brownsville Road like 53, it was logical. Quikie glimpse at
routings:

2-18-15  From crossover on Southern Ave. (later Brownsville Road) and Hazel
St. via Southern, S. 18th, Mary, S. 19th, Sidney, S. 22nd, 22nd (Brady) St.
Bridge, Forbes St and return via reverse of same route.

2-1-16  Extended southward to Church Ave. (Carrick CH).

3-13-24  Extended to Brentwood Loop.

10-19-25  Operated Brady, Wharton, S. 22nd to Mary, thence over original
route to EOL.  Operation over Sidney and S. 19 th discontinued.

8-17-26  Extended from Forbes and Brady to Duquesne Garden via Forbes to
Craig and return.

3-14-27  Rerouted from Craig to Halket to Forbes and thence over original
route.

5-19-30  Combined with Route 607 to form Destination 77/54 North Side --
Carrick via Bloomfield.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Schneider
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 10:39 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: Route 54

IT'S IN THE ROUTE CARDS.   THAT COMPUTER DOESN'T WANT TO RECOGNIZE WINDOWS.
IT JUST WANTS DOS RIGHT NOW AND I'M NOT GOING TO HUNT A COMPUTER GURU JUST
TO GET TO THE ROUTE CARDS.   MAYBE ED HAS TIME.


On Jun 26, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:

> Yes, we figured out that it was a fantrip three hours ago.
> Does anyone know the routing (lefts and rights) of Route 54 ? Better 
> yet, why was it numbered into the Second Avenue routes ? While we're 
> on the subject of routing, why was the 81-Atwood a Forbes Avenue route 
> ? 81, if routed true to it's corridor should have come out Centre 
> Avenue then perhaps down Craig to Forbes then to Atwood. (Maybe at one 
> time it did) Anyone know the answers to these burning questions ?
> 
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 21:08, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Herb
>> 
>> Not so!
>> 
>> That was an enthusiast tour operated by PERC.  I was also on it, and 
>> have a similar fot.  This was the last pax use of the last Jones car 
>> prior to its being converted to the PRC paint car.
>> 
>> Dwight
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 5:03 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: Route 54
>> 
>> 
>>> I found this Bill Volkmer photo of PRCo 5432 on Forbes Avenue, Sept 
>>> 8,
>> 1956
>>> with the 54-Fifth & Craig St Only sign. This is obviously a revenue 
>>> trip; so the 54 did operate as a separate line.
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 18:06, Edward H. Lybarger
>>> <trams2 at comcast.net>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, they traveled all over the place.  The poster doesn't put a 
>>>> day
>> with
>>>> the date, or I could make a good guess.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Herb
>>>> Brannon
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:04 PM
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: Route 54
>>>> 
>>>> The orchestra was in business from c1935 until 1972. Hard to say 
>>>> when they were in Pittsburgh without doing a search of the 
>>>> newspapers.
>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 17:11, Edward H. Lybarger 
>>>> <trams2 at comcast.net
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This could have been a railfan movement.  I never heard of PCC 
>>>>> cars on 54, even though the sign may have been there.  If it's 
>>>>> Lincoln Avenue loop, the topography appears to be OK.  The picture 
>>>>> is so distorted that it's hard to put it all into perspective.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now we just need to determine when the Johnny Long Orchestra was 
>>>>> in Pittsburgh.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf 
>>>>> Of Bob Rathke
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 4:33 PM
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: Route 54
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It doesn't look like Craft which didn't have a high hill close to 
>>>>> the car
>>>>> house.   Possibly Carrick car house?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also noted the sign on the car to the right advertising Vogue 
>>>>> Terrace which was a dinner theater in East Pittsburgh; in it's 
>>>>> heyday in the 30's and 40's it hosted big bands such as Lawrence 
>>>>> Welk, and in the 50's singers and other entertainers. It was 
>>>>> destroyed in a fire in
>>>> May, 1963.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Matthew R Barry" <mrb190 at pitt.edu>
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:39:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: Route 54
>>>>> 
>>>>> A short-working of 77/54?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Interesting photo.   Craft Car House maybe?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf 
>>>>> Of rayprco53 at verizon.net
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:29 PM
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Fw: Route 54
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>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Herb Brannon
>>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Herb Brannon
>>> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
>>> 
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> 
> --
> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> 
> 
>

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