[PRCo] Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, Blue Line outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd Fashion Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound Red Line South Jordan Pkwy

[Dwight Long]

Rich

I agree with ALMOST everything you say.  However, I disagree with your 
inclusion of exhibitionists--particularly if they are over 18 and about 
36-24-36 in dimensions.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allman" <allmanr at verizon.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:20 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, 
Blue Line outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd 
Fashion Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound 
Red Line South Jordan Pkwy


> Ken-my understanding from several photo mags is that the following are
> restricted for photography(admittedly, probably justified):
> 1.nuclear installations;
> 2.military installations;
> 3.private businesses where trade secrets might be divulged
> AND THAT'S IT!
> The hospital thing w/ HIPPA relates to UNCONSENTED photos of patients or
> records, including unconsented use of non-anonymized radiologic images-if 
> a
> patient or their surogate consents then it's legal. That is how such 
> images
> make their way into medical texts, journals, and web sites so my 
> colleagues
> and I can continue to learn.
>
> I  agree w/ totally supporting transit police in their diligence in 
> guarding
> against muggers, purse snatchers, panhandlers, fare evaders, 
> exhibitionists,
> vandals, grafitti artists, those who smoke, eat and drink in transit 
> space,
> those who put their filthy feet on seats, those who play radios loudly and
> offensively. We must not as photographers enter restricted space without
> permission-yards, track, etc. We must not interfere w/ boarding or egress 
> of
> passengers. We must not use flash in tunnelswhere it could dazzle and 
> blind
> an operator. In other words, we must be polite, respectful, and show good
> judgment. Do what our mothers taught us.
>
> RICH
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:27 PM
> Subject: [!! SPAM] [PRCo] Re: Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, Blue
> Line outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd
> Fashion Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound
> Red Line South Jordan Pkwy
>
>
>> Rich,
>>
>> Thanks for the heads-up. Next time I visit Salt Lake City, I can bring 
>> the
>> Department of Homeland Security training pamphlet I received from my
>> employer and hand it to anybody who tells me there is a ban on railroad
>> photography. Let him/her show it to me. A few additional thoughts below.
>>
>> Homeland Security guidelines do indicate that people taking photos of
>> trains, taking notes, etc. MAY fit the profile of a terrorist planner.
>> That
>> noted, the Department of Homeland Security has not (and probably cannot)
>> ban
>> the photography of railroads.
>>
>> A coworker told me her Union Pacific engineer boyfriend took some 
>> Homeland
>> Security training courses at work. He is a railfan and he was not happy
>> about being told behavior common to railfans fits the Homeland Security
>> profile of potential terrorist plotters.
>>
>> My guess is the UTA employee you encountered was twisting what he was
>> (supposedly) taught to suit whatever his motive was to harass you. The
>> last
>> time I rode the UTA lines with Fred the Third, some young motormen told 
>> us
>> their trains could reach 160 mph if the gearing was changed. I have to
>> wonder if the person you encountered was one of them, who had since been
>> promoted to supervisor!
>>
>> There are, however, some publicly owned facilities receiving heavy
>> taxpayer
>> subsidies which can legally restrict or ban photography. For example,
>> publicly owned hospitals can, and must, due to Federal H.I.P.P.A. patient
>> privacy regulations.
>>
>> Our airport is public owned and subsidized. But if I refuse to cooperate
>> with the TSA people, I don't get to the gates.
>>
>> The MBTA has had photography restrictions on their property for decades. 
>> I
>> do not know if the Maryland situation has or will have any bearing upon
>> that.
>>
>> I remember a few years ago, some NJT police or security people were
>> harassing railfans by telling them they could not photography NJT trains
>> from public property, such as streets or sidewalks. I believe that
>> situation
>> was rectified. At least I hope it was.
>>
>> They need to worry more about children and young adults vandalizing the
>> stations and equipment and not harass  rail enthusiasts photographing
>> their
>> trains.
>>
>> K.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richard Allman" <allmanr at verizon.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:08 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, Blue Line
>> outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd Fashion
>> Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound Red
>> Line
>> South Jordan Pkwy
>>
>>
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>>> From: Richard Allman=20
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org ; ptc-11 at comcast.net ; Charles Long
>>> =
>>> ; Vigrass Bill ; Russ & Mary Jackson ; WEZRail at aol.com ; =
>>> Jack.May at americomm.net ; bob.dietrich1 at verizon.net ; Bruce Bente ; =
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>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:00 PM
>>> Subject: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, Blue Line outbd at Midvale =
>>> Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd Fashion Place, =
>>> DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound Red Line =
>>> South Jordan Pkwy
>>>
>>>
>>> with apologies to anyone I omitted, or conversely, to anyone who doesn't
>>> =
>>> want these-that is why God created the delete key. Suz and I back from a
>>> =
>>> fabulous week in Utah. Day one, did some exploring in Temple Square and 
>>> =
>>> some geneology where I discovered some neat things about my father's =
>>> family. Then off to ride UTA, including the two new lines to Daybreak =
>>> and West Valley Central. Although I admit to a huge bias in favor  off =
>>> the SD70 cars, I think that SLC, along w/ San Diego and Portland are the
>>> =
>>> premier LRT operations-all of which use SD70s, along w/ Norfolk. the new
>>> =
>>> lines are doing ok, especially the shorter-and more interesting Green =
>>> Line to West Valley Central. The Red Line has more modest, though =
>>> respectable ridership, but clearly is an investment in the future, =
>>> inasmuch as there is a huge amount of construction going on along it, =
>>> including businesses and condo developments. The airport line is =
>>> advancing nicely, and more slowly, work on the Sandy-Draper extension is
>>> =
>>> moving along, w/ some track laid. Three car types-original SD100's, the 
>>> =
>>> ex-Santa Clara UTDC cars which are used at rush hour, and the 70+ =
>>> SD70's-three of which were still under wrap near Fashion Place. The =
>>> ridership was robust during our stay since apparently the semi-annual =
>>> Mormon Conference was happening, along w/ a big University of Utah =
>>> football game.
>>> Has one brief adversarial encounter w/ a transit type who informed me =
>>> that Department of Homeland Security bans photography of railroads. I =
>>> challenged him on that, w/ the full litany about the Maryland situation,
>>> =
>>> the Amtrak photo contest, so he changed his tune, that photography only 
>>> =
>>> allowed on the street, since UTA is private property. I informed au =
>>> contraire that UTA is a publically owned agency, w/ huge public =
>>> subsidies(you're welcome!) He declined to identify himself and was not =
>>> wearing a visible name tag though he had a UTA uniform and seemed to be 
>>> =
>>> some kind of supervisor, but he decided that it was not worth the battle
>>> =
>>> and told me to be discrete. A 68 year old gray haired grandfather-what =
>>> is more discrete than that? Otehrwise only courtesy from UTA, though I =
>>> probably will send the UTA GM a complaint about the harassment, along w/
>>> =
>>> some photos!
>>> We went to Bryce Canyon which is breathtaking, drove Scenic Highway 12 =
>>> which is unforgetable, a night at Sundance-the Robert Redford resort w/ 
>>> =
>>> fabulous hiking and mountain vistas. We needed that after our two nights
>>> =
>>> near Bryce where we stayed in a hotel not much different from Bates =
>>> Motel in Psycho! Only day of rain was the last one(yesterday) when the =
>>> attached were taken, but they didn't turn out too bad. Sunnier photos to
>>> =
>>> follow.
>>> Nest week medical meeting in Minneapolis-wonder what I will do in my =
>>> free time!
>>>
>>> RICH
>>>
>>>
>>>
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