[PRCo] Re: West Carson Street

[Herb Brannon]

Next to last sentence of my last post should read, ".......and also on
individual routes."
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 17:43, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:

> Here's a scan of the front cover of Vol 2. It too has two cover letters.
> One is signed by Wade G Fox, Publications Supervisor and the other signed
> by Robert Kochanowski, Acting Study Director. The "Survey Office" was
> located at 14 Wood Street and their telephone number was EXpress 1-3850. My
> vol 2 has several maps with private right of way streetcar lines and what
> are termed "rapid transit" lines running jointly and also on individual.
> Could this be the Vol 2 referred to in Vol 1 or is this some different
> study?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 16:12, robert netzlof <wb3iqe at rocketmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Somewhere I saw an article that said PRC acknowledged to (I believe) the
>> > Allegheny Conference in 1949 that they would not be operating streetcars
>> > over the new bridge.  I fervently wish I could find the reference,
>> because
>> > it would demonstrate that the later commotion about replacing
>> money-losing
>> > West End trolley routes with buses was a bunch of crocodile tears
>> designed
>> > to get someone else to pay for the buses and let PRC of easy on the
>> paving
>> > obligations.
>>
>> A short time later Derrick said:
>>
>> If they did, I bet it would be in here:
>> Mass transportation study of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County, Volume 1
>>
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=xWpAAAAAIAAJ&q=%22allegheny+conference%22+%22point+bridge%22+1949&dq=%22allegheny+conference%22+%22point+bridge%22+1949&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QqdPT_epOsiJsQKI68XADg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwAQ
>>
>> Now I say:
>>
>> I got a copy of the 1949 report* from the Penn State library. The only
>> thing I found in it regarding the new bridge at the point was in a
>> discussion of through routing to reduce or eliminate street car loops in
>> the Triangle. Page 35 has:
>>
>> "Routes coming over Point Bridge would be combined with routes along Penn
>> and Liberty Avenue. This combination requires no looping whatsoever in
>> crossing the Triangle. More than 900 passengers or almost 11 per cent of
>> all passengers originating on routes that cross Point Bridge would be
>> potential users of this route combination during the morning period.
>>
>> "Discussions are now taking place with a view to toward substituting
>> buses for street cars on the new bridge that will replace the present Point
>> Bridge. If that takes place, then this recommendation would have to be
>> modified."
>>
>> * The report I got may not be the report y'ns had in mind. This one has
>> two cover letters. One, dated Sept. 22, 1949, signed by Phillip Robinson,
>> says that the report is:
>>
>> "the results of the study of mass transportation in Pittsburgh and
>> Allegheny County which has been made for your three agencies [Allegheny
>> Conf. on Community Devel., Pittsburgh Regional Planning Assoc.,
>> Pennsylvania Economy League]...".
>>
>> The other letter, dated Aug. 27, 1951 says:
>>
>> "...results of the study are set forth in two reports; one completed in
>> September 1949, jointly sponsored by [list of agencies as above] ... the
>> First Phase Study was not released publicly. The Second Phase Study has
>> been substantially completed and will be released when printed."
>>
>> I conclude that what I have is only the first of the two reports. It was
>> the only such report I could find in the Pattee/Paterno Library's catalog.
>>
>> Bob Netzlof a/k/a Sweet Old Bob
>>
>>
>
>
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> Herb Brannon
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