[PRCo] Re: 4399 correct location

[Edward H. Lybarger]

It was a museum charter.  There has been some adjustment of the sky, but the
car is clearly westbound on Second Avenue west of the Brady Street Bridge.
It's posed with someone's old auto.  There are also photos of the car (4398)
at Glenwood Car House that day.

Pittsburgh Railways never operated on Route 906, or in Belle Vernon, and I
would venture a strong guess that 4398 never saw the Charleroi/Donora area.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Phillip
Clark Campbell
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 11:47 AM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4399 correct location

Mr.Lybarger,
The current picture title is not the original is it.  The original stated
this car was "in Belle Vernon northbound" on Route 906(?)  A couple people
wrote to the poster after discussion here and he immediately changed the
title.

It also appears to be a double exposure--on enlarging a third trolley pole
and overhead hanger floating in space are quite visible.  This may account
for the strange dark sky within the triangle formed by the front trolley
pole and rope.


Do you know anything more about this charter?  It does not appear to be an
early museum charter.


Phil





>________________________________
> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:55 AM
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
> 
>Sorry, I've been away and am not up to date on emails (nor have I begun 
>to read the new book, copy of which I obtained Monday).  This photo is 
>exactly where the caption says it is.  The car was operating in fantrip 
>service on June 12, 1955.  The signs are absolutely meaningless here.
>
>Ed
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>Phillip Clark Campbell
>Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:59 AM
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: wrong side of the river?
>
>Mr.Brashear,
>
>This looks like a case for Detective Lybarger doesn't it.  We know the 
>only place the Charleroi line crossed the Monongahela is downtown 
>Pittsburgh isn't it.  Thus the car is apparently heading south rather than
north.
>
>Is it near Monongahela City?  A bridge over a tributary is at Black 
>Diamond Jct; double track leads to the Jct.  But this does not seem to 
>fit.  It appears the car is on a bridge; the railing far side suggests 
>this.  It also seems rather new construction; paving is new as well.
>The bridge across the Monongahela doesn't fit this location does it.
>
>It looks like a coal tipple or associated structure spans the highway 
>in the distance; I can not determine what the trolley tracks do at that
distance.
>I am looking for evidence of single track.
>
>If the signs are correct this is a shuttle from Mongahela south and 
>return not the Donora car.  I can not detect the motorman at the 
>controller.  Did the car stop and pose for this picture?  Do schedules 
>reveal a run or train "86"?
>
>If the signs are correct this could be other places along the river 
>from Mongahela south.  Does it fit any other location?
>
>
>Phil
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
>>To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:01 AM
>>Subject: [PRCo] wrong side of the river?
>> 
>>Was route 906 on the west shore of the river ever? I assumed it was 
>>always on the other side, only, and thus the caption is incorrect?
>>
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/scott_beveridge/8014098467/
>>
>>--
>>Derrick
>