[PRCo] Last car on 6/14 Avalon

Mon Apr 8 23:33:13 EDT 2013

The first time, it looks like this:
http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/attachments/20130408/d462b575/attachment.jpe

which looks exactly the same as the second one.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote:
> The photo was attached to my outgoing e-mail, but it wasn't there when I received my copy from the List. Let's try again.
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> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 6:05:40 PM
> Subject: Last car on 6/14 Avalon
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> The last trip on 6/14-Avalon was very crowded. At the Avalon loop, passengers left the trolley (1799) for brief remarks by Avalon officials, and then we re-boarded for the (need I say "quiet"?) trip back downtown.
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> I took the attached photo as the riders were starting to re-board 1799 in Avalon.  I believe that's John Dameron in the black coat talking to the motorman. Time was around 1:00 am on Sunday, May 1, 1966.
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> Bob
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> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 4:19:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for        posting        photos        of        oldandabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.
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> Bob
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> Thanks for that clarification.
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> I did not ride any trip on 6/14 on that day. Went right to the Brass Rail
> upon return of the last 21 trip, then split for Hoosierland.
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> Dwight
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of
> oldandabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.
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>> Dwight,
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>> "The second half of the last trolley day" referred to the last regularly
>> scheduled trip on 6/14-Avalon which occured immediately following the last
>> regularly scheduled trip on 21-Fineview..
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>> The last regular service day for 21 and 14/6 was Saturday, April 30, 1966.
>> The last car on 21 arrived back downtown from Fineview a little before
>> Midnight, and then went to Tunnel CH. A few minutes later the last regular
>> service car on 14/6 left downtown for Avalon, and returned back downtown
>> around 2am on Sunday, May 1.
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>> I was on the last regular service trips on both 21 and 6/14. I 've heard
>> that there was a charter that ran on Finview after the last regular
>> service trip there, but I don't know when that occured . I'm not sure if
>> there was also an after-service charter on 6/14.
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>>
>> Bob
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 2:32:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old
>> andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.
>>
>>
>> Bob
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>> Not sure to what you refer. I was on the last trip of Rt. 21 and then a
>> few
>> of us retired to a Brass Rail in the Triangle (on Liberty or Penn??) to
>> cry
>> in our beer over the loss. What was the "last trolley day?" Some
>> enthusiast tour?
>>
>> I'm sending this from my portable and don't have my records at hand or
>> could
>> tell you the exact date. It was in 1966 for sure.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Rathke" <bobrathke at comcast.net>
>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old
>> andabandonedbuildings in Western Pa.
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>>>
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>>> Dwight,
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>>> There was a Brass Rail on E. Ohio St. Did you skip the se cond half of
>>> the
>>> "last trolley day" on 4/3 0/66?
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>>>
>>> That night I rode the last 21-Fine view car out to Fineview and back to
>>> downtown, then caught the last 6/14 trolley and rode out to Avalon and
>>> back. I took the attached photo as a group of fans on Penn Ave. made the
>>> dash to board 1799.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
>>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 11:43:33 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and
>>> abandonedbuildings in Western Pa.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> My last (somewhat faint) memory of the Brass Rail is consuming mass
>>> quantities of beer in one of their outlets after I had ridden the last
>>> ever Rt. 21 Fineview car,
>>>
>>> Dwight
>>>
>>> From: Bob Rathke
>>> Sent: Monday, 08 April, 2013 12:23
>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and
>>> abandonedbuildings in Western Pa.
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>>>
>>> Fred,
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>>>
>>> While you're remembering Fifth and Liberty Avenues, don't forget Frank &
>>> Seder, Spear and May Stern department/furniture stores. Also 5&10's G.C.
>>> Murphy and Grants; the Brass Rail and Bards (similar to Isaly's, but Bard
>>> stores were in the neighborhoods, not downtown ).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My grandmother worked at Rosenbaums before she was married. The Rosenbaum
>>> building was a solid structure , and it took months to dem olish it
>>> before
>>> they could start building the parking garage that's on the site now. My
>>> grandfather worked at Boggs & Buhl and was an office boy for R.H. Boggs,
>>> but his family encouraged him to leave the store and learn a trade. The
>>> R.H. Boggs home on the Mexican War Streets is now a B&B.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My paternal great grandfather was fire engineer at the City of Allegheny
>>> fire station No. 2 on Concord St. from 1868 to the early 1900's (see
>>> attached photo). I also have a photo of him working in Johnstown after
>>> the
>>> 1889 flood (I assume that Allegheny sent fireman to Johnstown to help
>>> out). And I have copies of his Civil War records and pension.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> About the Brass Rail: the restaurants had a large (probably 5 'X10 ')
>>> copy
>>> of a painting behi nd the bar. The painting depicted a 1930-style bus,
>>> but
>>> the bus was five stories tall and looked like a cruise ship on wheels.
>>> The
>>> title of the painting was, "A bus salesman's dream in 1960". I wonder if
>>> that painting survived the restaurants.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>>
>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
>>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 10:43:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Facebook page for posting photos of old and abandoned
>>> buildings in Western Pa.
>>>
>>> You know you are old, Bob, when someone asks "What's a McCrorys?" Think
>>> of
>>> all those old store names that are no longer there. I will confine myself
>>> to western Pennsylvania … Woolworths, Gimbels, Kaufmans, Joseph Horne,
>>> Rosenbaums, Boggs and Buhl, Isalys.
>>>
>>> Yup…. And you now have to be in your 40s to understand what communism was
>>> like in eastern Europe. In a way, I guess I am rather glad that I
>>> vacationed in East Germany before the wall came down and saw it. I guess,
>>> as ugly as history can be, I guess it was also good for me that I
>>> experienced the segregated southern states … black and white drinking
>>> fountains, toilets, restaurants, etc.
>>>
>>> Now, how the hell do I explain to my granddaughter and her husband, who
>>> is
>>> of African descent, what it would have been like living in this country
>>> 60
>>> or more years ago?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Here's a Facebook page containing photos of old and abondoned structures
>>>> in Western Pa. It contains a few rail photos. I've posted some of my
>>>> 1956-82 photos in the section for, "Recent posts by others".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See:
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>>>>
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>>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967?sk=photos#!/pages/Abandoned-Old-Interesting-Places-Western-PA/237114536307967
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