[PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like Ed)

Tue Jan 29 06:59:17 EST 2013

Herb,
If you have not done so, contact Lynne Thompson at the museum concerning training.

Dennis F. Cramer 
http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/

> From: hrbran at cavtel.net
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:28:49 -0500
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like Ed)
> 
> Dennis,
> I should be at PTM as many days as I feel like this coming season. I should
> be moved to Pittsburgh by then. I look forward to you being my instructor
> for PTM Operator Training  ;-)
> 
> Ed,
> These days it's good to avoid "management involvement" at a lot of places.
> All that's heard is "mo money, mo money, mo money, and mo money". The thing
> to remember is that "greed" is one of the "seven deadly ones". The shining
> example of this is the so-called "Lakeshore Electric Railway" (nee Columbia
> Park operation). The "high dollar crowd" who were the overseers of that
> operation got their "pocket change" to see them through the
> recession/depression. Now, however, nothing remains of what could have been
> something good. I hope they all had a good vacation with that money.
> 
> As long as the subject is PTM, since October, 2012 has PTM issued any
> "Trolley Fare" magazines or any other mailings to members?
> 
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <ehlybarger at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > I have not been getting list mail for some time now, and finally asked
> > Derrick to change my address to another email account that I keep for such
> > occurrences.  So far, it's working!
> >
> > Herb, this is the first time I've seen this policy (I'm deliberately
> > avoiding any management involvement, except for Archives, at PTM these
> > days), but it's important to note that it applies mostly to commercial uses
> > of the images.  The other is a fee-raising thing (we're getting pretty
> > mercenary in this department) for those whose egos demand exclusive use of
> > a
> > car on which they can be photographed.  So as long as you're not selling
> > the
> > photos, there's no restriction on member photography.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of DF
> > Cramer
> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:21 AM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like Ed)
> >
> >
> > Just to clarify: the fee is for specific events. Come down this spring and
> > take pictures to your hearts content. Our service during the Washington
> > County Fair has become a traction fan holiday.
> >
> > Dennis F. Cramer
> > http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
> >
> > > From: hrbran at cavtel.net
> > > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:15:54 -0500
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like
> > > Ed)
> > >
> > > That's good to know. I was becoming concerned when I noticed
> > "substantial"
> > > increases in fees for all services at PTM then saw the $100 permit
> > > required for taking photos.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:03 AM, DF Cramer
> > <alto_trombone at hotmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Herb,
> > > > Read the entire policy------
> > > > Photo Sessions at Pennsylvania Trolley Museum
> > > >
> > > > CHOOSE YOUR FAVORITE VINTAGE STREETCAR - Choose from any of our
> > > > operational streetcars for stunning interior and exterior photo shots.
> > > > Favorite trolley backdrops are the beautiful Streetcar Named Desire,
> > > > our Rio de Janeiro Open Car, and the meticulously restored 1917
> > > > Pittsburgh Car
> > > > 4398 among many others. Your streetcar photo session will be hosted
> > > > by a uniformed streetcar operator from the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum.
> > > >
> > > > Streetcar Photo Session - $100 per Hour Private use of a vintage
> > > > streetcar with motorman for photo session
> > > > Available: April through December by appointment
> > > >
> > > > PHOTOGRAPHY POLICY
> > > > Pennsylvania Trolley Museum encourages photography and the use of
> > > > video cameras for personal use. Sale, rental, or other commercial
> > > > use (other than for editorial use) is prohibited without prior
> > > > written authorization, including signing a single-use license
> > agreement,
> > and payment of fee.
> > > > Commercial photography includes, but is not limited to wedding
> > > > photography, professional portraits, modeling, media, and images for
> > resale in any form.
> > > > To schedule wedding and portrait photographs please contact Bill
> > > > Belleno, Visitor Services Manager, call: 724-228-9256 or email:
> > vsm at pa-trolley.orgReservations are required one week in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Note that commercial productions intended for broadcast will be
> > > > handled on a case by case basis.
> > > >
> > > > Dennis F. Cramer
> > > > http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
> > > >
> > > > > From: hrbran at cavtel.net
> > > > > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:25:30 -0500
> > > > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > > > > Subject: [PRCo] Question For PTM Members (Management Types Like
> > > > > Ed)
> > > > >
> > > > > I was just looking over the PTM website and came across a section
> > > > > on that website which defies all comprehension. The sub-section is
> > > > > titled "Photography Policy" and indicates that in order to take
> > > > > photos PTM visitors must pay a fee of $100.00 per hour. You mean
> > > > > to tell me that visitors to PTM are not permitted to take photos
> > > > > unless they pay PTM
> > > > > $100.00 per hour ?? I'm betting on someone "litigating" that rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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