[PRCo] PRCo Route 59

Tue Jul 9 21:21:52 EDT 2013

Why don't you post the photo?

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Ray <rayprco53 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Did find a picture at South Hills Junction with a sign that reads,
> 55A Homestead Munhall Kennywood. Which makes sense with what you guys are
> telling me.Relooking at my other pics, maybe it reads 55A Homestrad Munhall
> via 2 Ave. In my defense the pic of that is blurry.
>
> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
>
> Ray <rayprco53 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >Regarding 55A, roll sign reads Homestead Braddock via 2 Ave. What is
> missing is E. Pgh. So i would assume it went to Braddock. Thats the
> pictures that i have.  Is the rollsign maybe a fan trip sign?
> >
> >Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
> >
> >Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Ray
> >>
> >>I don't understand the question.  It used the Munhall loop to turn back
> >>toward Pittsburgh, just as the 65 used it to turn back to Lincoln Place.
> >>55A did not go to Braddock.  That was the 55 itself.
> >>
> >>Dwight
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Ray" <rayprco53 at verizon.net>
> >>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> >><pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:01 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>
> >>
> >>> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was how did
> it
> >>> get to Braddock?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
> >>>
> >>> Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Ray
> >>>>
> >>>>Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and
> >>>>prior
> >>>>at Kennywood Park).
> >>>>
> >>>>Dwight
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at pa.gov>
> >>>>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> >>>><pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone
> provide
> >>>>> the route of 55A?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not
> have a
> >>>>> low floor type car with
> >>>>> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor
> type
> >>>>> car with this destination?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ray
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf
> Of
> >>>>> John Swindler
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM
> >>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55
> >>>>> converted to bus by PAT???  Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or
> might
> >>>>> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of
> >>>>> Greenfield Ave.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Going to guess summer of 1964.  PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but
> >>>>> story
> >>>>> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse
> >>>>> than
> >>>>> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to
> >>>>> Munhall
> >>>>> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then
> >>>>> returned to S. Hills. Jct.  There were a bunch of PRMA members on
> that
> >>>>> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no
> >>>>> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fred
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a
> rail
> >>>>>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh
> over
> >>>>>> the former route 55 trackage.  Not sure when this occurred (when the
> >>>>>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR,
> until
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place.  I took pictures of the
> >>>>>> operation in early 1965.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Fred Schneider
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35
> >>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>>>>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following
> >>>>>> (if
> >>>>>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to
> >>>>>> proofread my work.   There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937
> >>>>>> where
> >>>>>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the
> dates
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated.   Usually
> a
> >>>>>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed.  fws
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road
> >>>>>> through
> >>>>>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays
> Street.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1917:  From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street,
> 8th
> >>>>>> Avenue to Hays Street.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> July 17 to July 19, 1919;  August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18
> to
> >>>>>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above
> >>>>>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> August 10, 1925:  Length of line:  round trip 5.23 miles.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927:  Shuttle service from Terrace Step
> stop
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> end of line, Homeville.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Feb. 14, 1928:  Route 506 combined with route 507
> (Homestead-Mifflin).
> >>>>>> One man operation began.   See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> July 9, 1944:  Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West
> Streets.
> >>>>>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place
> loop.
> >>>>>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> March 7, 1953:  Last full day of route 59.
> >>>>>>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902.  Have not found
> route
> >>>>>> card.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> April 1, 1928:   On this date, route 507 started under supervision
> of
> >>>>>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly
> used
> >>>>>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> August 24, 1928:  Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and
> >>>>>> Main
> >>>>>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> November 21, 1928:   Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West
> >>>>>> Streets,
> >>>>>> Homestead.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> November 23, 1928:  Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts.,
> >>>>>> Homestead.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> December 14, 1928:  Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man
> >>>>>> operation began.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> January 1, 1930:  Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd
> >>>>>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St.,
> >>>>>> Greenspring
> >>>>>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> March 15, 1937:  Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St.
> to
> >>>>>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine
> St.,
> >>>>>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> July 9, 1944:   Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and
> >>>>>> designated
> >>>>>> route 59.   Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65.
> >>>>>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC
> >>>>>> service
> >>>>>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from
> >>>>>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide:  Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th
> >>>>>> Avenue
> >>>>>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St.,
> >>>>>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop.
> Unchanged
> >>>>>> from July 9, 1944.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sept. 5, 1965:  Last full day of service route 65.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and noticed
> that
> >>>>>> > route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at  the
> >>>>>> > intersection
> >>>>>> > of Greensprings  Ave., Coal  Rd and Black Path (road names based
> on
> >>>>>> > Google Maps).
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called Td◊í
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