[PRCo] PRCo Route 59

Wed Jul 10 00:06:13 EDT 2013

There was a railfan photo stop at Munhall Loop.  The destination sign reads:  FARE $4.50  - with red background.

> From: hrbran at cavtel.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:21:52 -0400
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> 
> Why don't you post the photo?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Ray <rayprco53 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > Did find a picture at South Hills Junction with a sign that reads,
> > 55A Homestead Munhall Kennywood. Which makes sense with what you guys are
> > telling me.Relooking at my other pics, maybe it reads 55A Homestrad Munhall
> > via 2 Ave. In my defense the pic of that is blurry.
> >
> > Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
> >
> > Ray <rayprco53 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Regarding 55A, roll sign reads Homestead Braddock via 2 Ave. What is
> > missing is E. Pgh. So i would assume it went to Braddock. Thats the
> > pictures that i have.  Is the rollsign maybe a fan trip sign?
> > >
> > >Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
> > >
> > >Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Ray
> > >>
> > >>I don't understand the question.  It used the Munhall loop to turn back
> > >>toward Pittsburgh, just as the 65 used it to turn back to Lincoln Place.
> > >>55A did not go to Braddock.  That was the 55 itself.
> > >>
> > >>Dwight
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Ray" <rayprco53 at verizon.net>
> > >>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> > >><pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:01 PM
> > >>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was how did
> > it
> > >>> get to Braddock?
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
> > >>>
> > >>> Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Ray
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers 1958 and
> > >>>>prior
> > >>>>at Kennywood Park).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Dwight
> > >>>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at pa.gov>
> > >>>>To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> > >>>><pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM
> > >>>>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can someone
> > provide
> > >>>>> the route of 55A?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do not
> > have a
> > >>>>> low floor type car with
> > >>>>> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low floor
> > type
> > >>>>> car with this destination?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks again.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Ray
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> > >>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf
> > Of
> > >>>>> John Swindler
> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM
> > >>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58 and 55
> > >>>>> converted to bus by PAT???  Might be due to Glenwood bridge - or
> > might
> > >>>>> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track east of
> > >>>>> Greenfield Ave.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Going to guess summer of 1964.  PAT had bought 150 new GM buses, but
> > >>>>> story
> > >>>>> I heard was that some of the buses from independents were much worse
> > >>>>> than
> > >>>>> expected. Otherwise 65 would not have lasted a bit longer.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave. to
> > >>>>> Munhall
> > >>>>> Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to Munhall and then
> > >>>>> returned to S. Hills. Jct.  There were a bunch of PRMA members on
> > that
> > >>>>> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no
> > >>>>> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> > >>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> > >>>>>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Fred
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance as a
> > rail
> > >>>>>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East Pittsburgh
> > over
> > >>>>>> the former route 55 trackage.  Not sure when this occurred (when the
> > >>>>>> Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in effect, AIR,
> > until
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place.  I took pictures of the
> > >>>>>> operation in early 1965.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Dwight
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> From: Fred Schneider
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35
> > >>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> > >>>>>> Route cards for route 506 Homestead and Homeville show the following
> > >>>>>> (if
> > >>>>>> I transcribed it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to
> > >>>>>> proofread my work.   There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937
> > >>>>>> where
> > >>>>>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so the
> > dates
> > >>>>>> are
> > >>>>>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated.   Usually
> > a
> > >>>>>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed.  fws
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township road
> > >>>>>> through
> > >>>>>> Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th Avenue to Hays
> > Street.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 1917:  From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine Street,
> > 8th
> > >>>>>> Avenue to Hays Street.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> July 17 to July 19, 1919;  August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and August 18
> > to
> > >>>>>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge above
> > >>>>>> Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> August 10, 1925:  Length of line:  round trip 5.23 miles.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927:  Shuttle service from Terrace Step
> > stop
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>> end of line, Homeville.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Feb. 14, 1928:  Route 506 combined with route 507
> > (Homestead-Mifflin).
> > >>>>>> One man operation began.   See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> July 9, 1944:  Began operation from Homeville to 18th and West
> > Streets.
> > >>>>>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln Place
> > loop.
> > >>>>>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> March 7, 1953:  Last full day of route 59.
> > >>>>>>
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> > >>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902.  Have not found
> > route
> > >>>>>> card.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> April 1, 1928:   On this date, route 507 started under supervision
> > of
> > >>>>>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment formerly
> > used
> > >>>>>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> August 24, 1928:  Shuttle began operating between Lincoln Place and
> > >>>>>> Main
> > >>>>>> and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th Avenue, Homestead.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> November 21, 1928:   Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West
> > >>>>>> Streets,
> > >>>>>> Homestead.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> November 23, 1928:  Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and West Sts.,
> > >>>>>> Homestead.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> December 14, 1928:  Combined with route 506 Homeville and one-man
> > >>>>>> operation began.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> January 1, 1930:  Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut Ave., 22nd
> > >>>>>> Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St., Ravine St.,
> > >>>>>> Greenspring
> > >>>>>> Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> March 15, 1937:  Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St.
> > to
> > >>>>>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction, Ravine
> > St.,
> > >>>>>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> July 9, 1944:   Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and
> > >>>>>> designated
> > >>>>>> route 59.   Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65.
> > >>>>>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting PCC
> > >>>>>> service
> > >>>>>> on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a short distance from
> > >>>>>> Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide:  Munhall to Lincoln Place over 8th
> > >>>>>> Avenue
> > >>>>>> in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th St., West St., 22nd St.,
> > >>>>>> Interboro Ave. and private right-of-way to Muldowney Loop.
> > Unchanged
> > >>>>>> from July 9, 1944.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sept. 5, 1965:  Last full day of service route 65.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> > Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and noticed
> > that
> > >>>>>> > route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at  the
> > >>>>>> > intersection
> > >>>>>> > of Greensprings  Ave., Coal  Rd and Black Path (road names based
> > on
> > >>>>>> > Google Maps).
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> > One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called Td◊í
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