[PRCo] PRCo Route 59
Fred Schneider
fwschneider at comcast.net
Wed Jul 10 12:37:54 EDT 2013
Car looked very nice then … quite a contrast to the bucket of rust at PTM today.
On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
> Ok, attached is the Munhall Kennywood 55A picture at SHJ. Which is what you guys told me and makes it clear.
> The 55A outer loops would be Munhall or Kennywood.
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of John Swindler
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 12:06 AM
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>
>
>
> There was a railfan photo stop at Munhall Loop. The destination sign reads: FARE $4.50 - with red background.
>
>
>
>> From: hrbran at cavtel.net
>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:21:52 -0400
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>
>> Why don't you post the photo?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Ray <rayprco53 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Did find a picture at South Hills Junction with a sign that reads,
>>> 55A Homestead Munhall Kennywood. Which makes sense with what you
>>> guys are telling me.Relooking at my other pics, maybe it reads 55A
>>> Homestrad Munhall via 2 Ave. In my defense the pic of that is blurry.
>>>
>>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
>>>
>>> Ray <rayprco53 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Regarding 55A, roll sign reads Homestead Braddock via 2 Ave. What
>>>> is
>>> missing is E. Pgh. So i would assume it went to Braddock. Thats the
>>> pictures that i have. Is the rollsign maybe a fan trip sign?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
>>>>
>>>> Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand the question. It used the Munhall loop to turn
>>>>> back toward Pittsburgh, just as the 65 used it to turn back to Lincoln Place.
>>>>> 55A did not go to Braddock. That was the 55 itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dwight
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ray" <rayprco53 at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
>>>>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:01 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was
>>>>>> how did
>>> it
>>>>>> get to Braddock?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers
>>>>>>> 1958 and prior at Kennywood Park).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dwight
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at pa.gov>
>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
>>>>>>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can
>>>>>>>> someone
>>> provide
>>>>>>>> the route of 55A?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do
>>>>>>>> not
>>> have a
>>>>>>>> low floor type car with
>>>>>>>> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low
>>>>>>>> floor
>>> type
>>>>>>>> car with this destination?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>>>>> John Swindler
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58
>>>>>>>> and 55 converted to bus by PAT??? Might be due to Glenwood
>>>>>>>> bridge - or
>>> might
>>>>>>>> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track
>>>>>>>> east of Greenfield Ave.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Going to guess summer of 1964. PAT had bought 150 new GM
>>>>>>>> buses, but story I heard was that some of the buses from
>>>>>>>> independents were much worse than expected. Otherwise 65 would
>>>>>>>> not have lasted a bit longer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave.
>>>>>>>> to Munhall Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to
>>>>>>>> Munhall and then returned to S. Hills. Jct. There were a
>>>>>>>> bunch of PRMA members on
>>> that
>>>>>>>> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no
>>>>>>>> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance
>>>>>>>>> as a
>>> rail
>>>>>>>>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East
>>>>>>>>> Pittsburgh
>>> over
>>>>>>>>> the former route 55 trackage. Not sure when this occurred
>>>>>>>>> (when the Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in
>>>>>>>>> effect, AIR,
>>> until
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place. I took pictures
>>>>>>>>> of the operation in early 1965.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dwight
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Fred Schneider
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35
>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59 Route cards for route 506
>>>>>>>>> Homestead and Homeville show the following (if I transcribed
>>>>>>>>> it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to
>>>>>>>>> proofread my work. There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so
>>>>>>>>> the
>>> dates
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated. Usually
>>> a
>>>>>>>>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed.
>>>>>>>>> fws
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township
>>>>>>>>> road through Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th
>>>>>>>>> Avenue to Hays
>>> Street.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1917: From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine
>>>>>>>>> Street,
>>> 8th
>>>>>>>>> Avenue to Hays Street.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> July 17 to July 19, 1919; August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and
>>>>>>>>> August 18
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge
>>>>>>>>> above Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> August 10, 1925: Length of line: round trip 5.23 miles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927: Shuttle service from Terrace
>>>>>>>>> Step
>>> stop
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> end of line, Homeville.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Feb. 14, 1928: Route 506 combined with route 507
>>> (Homestead-Mifflin).
>>>>>>>>> One man operation began. See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> July 9, 1944: Began operation from Homeville to 18th and
>>>>>>>>> West
>>> Streets.
>>>>>>>>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln
>>>>>>>>> Place
>>> loop.
>>>>>>>>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> March 7, 1953: Last full day of route 59.
>>>>>>>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________
>>> __
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902. Have not
>>>>>>>>> found
>>> route
>>>>>>>>> card.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> April 1, 1928: On this date, route 507 started under supervision
>>> of
>>>>>>>>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment
>>>>>>>>> formerly
>>> used
>>>>>>>>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> August 24, 1928: Shuttle began operating between Lincoln
>>>>>>>>> Place and Main and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th
>>>>>>>>> Avenue, Homestead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> November 21, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West
>>>>>>>>> Streets,
>>>>>>>>> Homestead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> November 23, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and
>>>>>>>>> West Sts., Homestead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> December 14, 1928: Combined with route 506 Homeville and
>>>>>>>>> one-man operation began.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> January 1, 1930: Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut
>>>>>>>>> Ave., 22nd Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St.,
>>>>>>>>> Ravine St., Greenspring Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> March 15, 1937: Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St.
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction,
>>>>>>>>> Ravine
>>> St.,
>>>>>>>>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> July 9, 1944: Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and
>>>>>>>>> designated
>>>>>>>>> route 59. Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65.
>>>>>>>>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting
>>>>>>>>> PCC service on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a
>>>>>>>>> short distance from Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide: Munhall to Lincoln Place
>>>>>>>>> over 8th Avenue in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th
>>>>>>>>> St., West St., 22nd St., Interboro Ave. and private
>>>>>>>>> right-of-way to Muldowney Loop.
>>> Unchanged
>>>>>>>>> from July 9, 1944.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sept. 5, 1965: Last full day of service route 65.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and
>>>>>>>>>> noticed
>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at the
>>>>>>>>>> intersection of Greensprings Ave., Coal Rd and Black Path
>>>>>>>>>> (road names based
>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> Google Maps).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called
>>>>>>>>>> Tdג
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