[PRCo] PRCo Route 59
John Swindler
j_swindler at hotmail.com
Wed Jul 10 13:05:12 EDT 2013
The difference between 20 years of rust (including a trip thru paint shop for 'v' front) - and seventy years of rust.
> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 12:37:54 -0400
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
>
> Car looked very nice then … quite a contrast to the bucket of rust at PTM today.
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> On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
>
> > Ok, attached is the Munhall Kennywood 55A picture at SHJ. Which is what you guys told me and makes it clear.
> > The 55A outer loops would be Munhall or Kennywood.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of John Swindler
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 12:06 AM
> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >
> >
> >
> > There was a railfan photo stop at Munhall Loop. The destination sign reads: FARE $4.50 - with red background.
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: hrbran at cavtel.net
> >> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:21:52 -0400
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>
> >> Why don't you post the photo?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Ray <rayprco53 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Did find a picture at South Hills Junction with a sign that reads,
> >>> 55A Homestead Munhall Kennywood. Which makes sense with what you
> >>> guys are telling me.Relooking at my other pics, maybe it reads 55A
> >>> Homestrad Munhall via 2 Ave. In my defense the pic of that is blurry.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
> >>>
> >>> Ray <rayprco53 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Regarding 55A, roll sign reads Homestead Braddock via 2 Ave. What
> >>>> is
> >>> missing is E. Pgh. So i would assume it went to Braddock. Thats the
> >>> pictures that i have. Is the rollsign maybe a fan trip sign?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
> >>>>
> >>>> Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ray
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't understand the question. It used the Munhall loop to turn
> >>>>> back toward Pittsburgh, just as the 65 used it to turn back to Lincoln Place.
> >>>>> 55A did not go to Braddock. That was the 55 itself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Ray" <rayprco53 at verizon.net>
> >>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> >>>>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:01 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Regarding 55A, how was the turn around Munhall loop? If it was
> >>>>>> how did
> >>> it
> >>>>>> get to Braddock?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my LG Smartphone on Sprint
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ray
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Same as 55, except outer end was Munhall Loop (and in summers
> >>>>>>> 1958 and prior at Kennywood Park).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Lattner, Raymond" <rlattner at pa.gov>
> >>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> >>>>>>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:50 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Since you guys brought up routes 65 and 55 trackage, can
> >>>>>>>> someone
> >>> provide
> >>>>>>>> the route of 55A?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes, I now agree probably a coal rr on that side.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Oh one more thing, I was going through all my photos and I do
> >>>>>>>> not
> >>> have a
> >>>>>>>> low floor type car with
> >>>>>>>> a Forbes Field destination. Has anyone seen a photo of a low
> >>>>>>>> floor
> >>> type
> >>>>>>>> car with this destination?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ray
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>> Of
> >>>>>>>> John Swindler
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:36 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wasn't the 65 extension via Rankin Bridge to E. Pgh. when 58
> >>>>>>>> and 55 converted to bus by PAT??? Might be due to Glenwood
> >>>>>>>> bridge - or
> >>> might
> >>>>>>>> have been due to repaving of last mile of Second Ave. track
> >>>>>>>> east of Greenfield Ave.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Going to guess summer of 1964. PAT had bought 150 new GM
> >>>>>>>> buses, but story I heard was that some of the buses from
> >>>>>>>> independents were much worse than expected. Otherwise 65 would
> >>>>>>>> not have lasted a bit longer.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There was an 'owl' car that ran S. Hills. Jct. out Second Ave.
> >>>>>>>> to Munhall Loop (E. Pgh???) , then to Lincoln Place, back to
> >>>>>>>> Munhall and then returned to S. Hills. Jct. There were a
> >>>>>>>> bunch of PRMA members on
> >>> that
> >>>>>>>> last trip, but I managed to doze off around 4 a.m. and have no
> >>>>>>>> recollection passing thru West Homestead on return trip.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:50:00 -0400
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Fred
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The final change to route 65, other than its discontinuance
> >>>>>>>>> as a
> >>> rail
> >>>>>>>>> operation, was its extension from Munhall Loop to East
> >>>>>>>>> Pittsburgh
> >>> over
> >>>>>>>>> the former route 55 trackage. Not sure when this occurred
> >>>>>>>>> (when the Glenwood bridge was closed to trams) but it was in
> >>>>>>>>> effect, AIR,
> >>> until
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> end of tram operations from Lincoln Place. I took pictures
> >>>>>>>>> of the operation in early 1965.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: Fred Schneider
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 11:35
> >>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route 59 Route cards for route 506
> >>>>>>>>> Homestead and Homeville show the following (if I transcribed
> >>>>>>>>> it correctly) ... never did find anyone willing to
> >>>>>>>>> proofread my work. There are certain dates such as 1930 and 1937
> >>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>> they simply listed the routes even if they didn't change so
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>> dates
> >>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> not always indicative of a change unless it is so stated. Usually
> >>> a
> >>>>>>>>> change only shows the specific streets that were changed.
> >>>>>>>>> fws
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> January 1902 ... from a point in Homeville along a township
> >>>>>>>>> road through Munhall to 9th Avenue in Homestead and over 8th
> >>>>>>>>> Avenue to Hays
> >>> Street.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1917: From a point in Homeville-Greenspring Avenue, Ravine
> >>>>>>>>> Street,
> >>> 8th
> >>>>>>>>> Avenue to Hays Street.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> July 17 to July 19, 1919; August 29 to Sept 1, 1919 and
> >>>>>>>>> August 18
> >>> to
> >>>>>>>>> August 22, 1919 ... line split into two sections at bridge
> >>>>>>>>> above Homeville Siding because of unsafe condition of bridge,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> August 10, 1925: Length of line: round trip 5.23 miles.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> May 14, 1927 to June 19, 1927: Shuttle service from Terrace
> >>>>>>>>> Step
> >>> stop
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> end of line, Homeville.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Feb. 14, 1928: Route 506 combined with route 507
> >>> (Homestead-Mifflin).
> >>>>>>>>> One man operation began. See route 507 for history 1928 to 1944.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> July 9, 1944: Began operation from Homeville to 18th and
> >>>>>>>>> West
> >>> Streets.
> >>>>>>>>> Route 65 operating SE PCC cars from Munhall Loop to Lincoln
> >>>>>>>>> Place
> >>> loop.
> >>>>>>>>> Route 59 used double end low-floor cars.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> March 7, 1953: Last full day of route 59.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> ____________________________________________________________________
> >>> __
> >>>>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Original route 507 operated only November 1902. Have not
> >>>>>>>>> found
> >>> route
> >>>>>>>>> card.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> April 1, 1928: On this date, route 507 started under supervision
> >>> of
> >>>>>>>>> Pittsburgh Railways Company using schedules and equipment
> >>>>>>>>> formerly
> >>> used
> >>>>>>>>> by Homestead and Mifflin Street Railway.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> August 24, 1928: Shuttle began operating between Lincoln
> >>>>>>>>> Place and Main and McWhinney, also Main and McWhinney and 8th
> >>>>>>>>> Avenue, Homestead.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> November 21, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 13th and West
> >>>>>>>>> Streets,
> >>>>>>>>> Homestead.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> November 23, 1928: Through cars Lincoln Place to 8th and
> >>>>>>>>> West Sts., Homestead.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> December 14, 1928: Combined with route 506 Homeville and
> >>>>>>>>> one-man operation began.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> January 1, 1930: Main St., Center Ave., Main St., Walnut
> >>>>>>>>> Ave., 22nd Ave., West St., Amity St., 8th Ave., Munhall St.,
> >>>>>>>>> Ravine St., Greenspring Ave. to Hays St. in Homeville.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> March 15, 1937: Lincoln Place along Interboro Avenue and Main St.
> >>> to
> >>>>>>>>> West St. to 12th St., Amith., 8th Ave., Munhall Junction,
> >>>>>>>>> Ravine
> >>> St.,
> >>>>>>>>> Greenspring Ave. to High St.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> July 9, 1944: Homeville end split from Lincoln Place end and
> >>>>>>>>> designated
> >>>>>>>>> route 59. Lincoln Place to Munhall loop designated route 65.
> >>>>>>>>> Muldfowney Loop in Lincoln Place opened this date permitting
> >>>>>>>>> PCC service on route 65 and the line was extended eastward a
> >>>>>>>>> short distance from Interboro Avenue to Muldowney Street.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> October 31, 1956 Transit Guide: Munhall to Lincoln Place
> >>>>>>>>> over 8th Avenue in Munhall and McKeesport, Amity St., 12th
> >>>>>>>>> St., West St., 22nd St., Interboro Ave. and private
> >>>>>>>>> right-of-way to Muldowney Loop.
> >>> Unchanged
> >>>>>>>>> from July 9, 1944.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sept. 5, 1965: Last full day of service route 65.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello. I was looking at an older historic topo map and
> >>>>>>>>>> noticed
> >>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> route 59 traveled up Ravine Street and then split at the
> >>>>>>>>>> intersection of Greensprings Ave., Coal Rd and Black Path
> >>>>>>>>>> (road names based
> >>> on
> >>>>>>>>>> Google Maps).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> One line continued up Greensprings Ave. to what is called
> >>>>>>>>>> Tdג
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